birtish strains

[p charlton]

soz also thinking of the old british strains as will any ideas please will they beat the modern birds

[carlsberg]

probably not  but all birds willl go back to old strains eg vandeveldes/putmans/gurnays/barkers/stasssarts/ameels/kenyons birds like that

[p charlton]

true ive seen some in the stud book and that just wondering if they can still do the job ive allways had the modern strains in the past but now i want to try distance racing

[DOVEScot]

Is it not just the fact that modern birds are more selectively bred and probably the foreign birds have some Brittish strain in them along the lines adnvisa versa :-/

[p charlton]

i know that but ive seen a few srts for sale in the year books that have won the big races. but i have to race from a avery and go for the long races but want birds that can do the ong races and not be beat every week in the short ones

[Guest chrisss]

true ive seen some in the stud book and that just wondering if they can still do the job ive allways had the modern strains in the past but now i want to try distance racing

 

i belive iam correct in saying that some of the leading birds from pau/tarbes etc are based on the "old" british strains some of the british strains are still going years after "the founder" has died maybe more than this weeks "van driver"strain [or what ever is in fashion ]

[ch pied]

 

i belive iam correct in saying that some of the leading birds from pau/tarbes etc are based on the "old" british strains some of the british strains are still going years after "the founder" has died maybe more than this weeks "van driver"strain [or what ever is in fashion ]

, agreed ,the old brigade are still to the fore

 

 

[p charlton]

 

i belive iam correct in saying that some of the leading birds from pau/tarbes etc are based on the "old" british strains some of the british strains are still going years after "the founder" has died maybe more than this weeks "van driver"strain [or what ever is in fashion ]

100% agree the is a fare few always in the past raced widowhod cant know i need to find the right birds for the job

 

 

[Guest chrisss]

been a new starter[to racing] i have been told that "the old strains" are no good for normal club racing [2yrs to mature?] any ideas on this one as i have always been interested in the old strains but have been told they are only good raced on the natural system

[p charlton]

i have to race natural due to having pigeon lung so birds will be in a avery i think they could race widowhod. widowhod as been been raced in the uk well over 70 years

[ch pied]

hi mate , pigeon's will race on any system , be it widohood , double widohood , round a bout , celebcy , natural , dry , and manny more system's that can be used , the world is your oyster as system's go , it come's down to what you set your stall out for , sprint , middle , long , horse's for course's , i know where you are comming from , in that you need bird's to be in with a chance at 100ml & do a turn at 500ml , bird's of that sort are hard to come by, no matter what name they go by , you are wright widohood has been raced in the uk for some 70+ year's ,

[Roland]

Well overall the racing pigeon is not as good as it was by a long way - I believe, and losses and hard days / velocities seem to bear this out, especially when one considers the all improvement of 'Loft managerment, and modern care. This is the reason why thay just about stay on parr, for it must logically follow that if 'Loft mangerment' was not so good etc. then they would undoutedly be far behind.

Whereas a big team of 24 once more than adequately flew every race etc. - and still had too many left most seasons, when if not home on the day, was over the next two day, mostly  on loft in the morning, now many breed 4- 7 times as many and have not many left ...

Obviously too much inbreeding ahs taken a heavy toll in my oppinion...

[swilcox]

Strains such as Fears/Spangle/logan etc still do very well from the distance, remember Brian Sheppards Legend was 50% Spangle as was his brother who was 2nd Int the year after.

 

Has the UK ever had its own strain that was for shorter distances only? maybe not.

[Merlin]

In agreement with Ch Pied on this the most elusive is the one who can sprint and can stay,with Roland also with birds of yesterday being a lot more determined,which was down to the systems of yesterday,with all thats available to us today feeds,medicines.many others,the older fancier seldom had this gear at his disposal,his methods of selection were his big asset,with a loft of working pigeons,bred from generations of others like them,no paper pedigrees,a stock loft was dodgy gear in the attic,each and every bird had to earn its corn,meagre by to days standard,but how funny this is it was good enough to have old birds home from 500 on the day,and youngsters 234,on a regular basis,money wasnt plentiful, if ever it was,there was many things more urgent than pigeons,not so much pigeons havent stood the test of time,more the methods of the fancier.

The Wescott strain with certain fanciers where the blood is still rich,is a strain I would include if requiring distance and tenacious ability

[rembrant2coo]

 

We race the old english birds and they have won from Pau Perpignan and they will go to Barcelona for us you can race them on what ever system you want but a lot of the distance fliers use natural they do usual take more time to mature but it doesnt really matter if you want them for the distance they can win on the shorter races just depends on how you work them

 

in reply to rose we up hear in the bonnie land of heather we race the old strains of the fanciers who excel at the distance with families they have built themselves in the years gone by and to be quite honest they take some beating getting them from the right people that is

[Michael J Burden]

If it is an old strain where the said founder died years ago I would not call it such. It is the person who has been cultivating them which name should be put on them.

For the fancier who wants birds that win at every distance it is time to wake up fella.

With fanciers specialising you don't stand much chance if your fellow fanciers are any good.

[ch pied]

hurry up vic and get the post on

[Guest Vic]

Over the years, I have won the first race (Hereford 95 miles) and the last ob race

(Niort 504 miles) with the same bird. (A Vandy, via, Crabtree, Blackpool).          

                                                         One of my best pigeons ever, won many inland races, including two 2nd Liverpool Amals, (Average birdage 6,000 to 7,000)

Whilst his brother topped the mighty  L'pool Amal from Niort.                                

                                                             Surely this proves that one can attain short or long distance performances within the same family of pigeons.                         

[ch pied]

agreed vic, their are bird's about that can do a turn at all race's on the programe , depending on the way they are worked , geting like hen's teeth now , 400ml - 500ml sprinter's that's the craze now , with the sun on the back on a 1200-1400 day , when the vel go's down on a tight one they dont show up

[Guest Paulo]

I wouldn't mind buying some vandies is there people who still keep them?

[Guest]

I wouldn't mind buying some vandies is there people who still keep them?

 

The Marshalls of Seaton Sluice!

[Fair Play]

Paulo

There were two yellow hens for sale on pigeon basics B & NL rung no pedigree for one looked nice enough birds seller says the were Vandies

[Guest Vic]

hurry up vic and get the post on

 

Cheq Pied,   ;D How did you know I was posting?  :

[ch pied]

forum stats , click on active user's  ;D ;D ;D

[Guest Vic]

Yes Rose, Who can ever forget moments of magic?