SNFC /RPRA

[Guest]

at the time the vote was taken to change the rules no other busniss for the following year had been discussed that was set up that way because if it did not go through the members that were not prepared to be members of the shu the following year were then no longer eligable to be members of the snfc so we didnt take part in any of that and how can you expect to ask any one to pay for the following year when they do not meet the criterea of the rules or would you rather we all resigned before at least trying to deal with a situation that realy had nothing to do with the snfc ?? well  you cant have it both ways it has been said many times why didnt we stay and fight we tried to change a rule in the snfc that prohibated us bieng members of that club if we didnt want to be members of the shu we lost on the two thurds thats life so get over it and get on with racing doo,s thats what we done its the commetee of the snfc thats putting this forward, this thread was just to get a feel of the situation now if we are ready to get on with what we all are here for racing our birds its plain to see you are against by raking up all the old sh-- mav thats your choice so i think it might still be a bit soon bart

[maverick]

SO NOW YOU CANT ASK ANYTHING OF THE ONES WHO LEFT BUT WE ARE RAKING UP SH-T WHAT ABOUT ALL THE SH-T YOU LOT KEEP RAKING UP I DID THINK THERE WAS A CHANCE TO GET BACK TOGETHER BUT WITH THE CHILDISH ACTIONS HERE I GUESS NOT

[johno]

before this meeting can anyone give me an example of when a fancier was debt suspended by the snfc for failing to resign and not paying the following year.

[naedoos]

 

Maybe I'm guilty of being a little dim too, but what appears to be being put forward here is that you don't need to resign? Does that apply too to the Federations and Clubs in Scotland that have the same rule as the SNFC - must be a member of SHU. Surely if you do not resign then you are still a member of the Organisation in question?

 

Isn't it the same with all the other Unions?

 

And if you decide you no longer wish to be a member of that Organisation, surely you should offiicially terminate your involvement in it, and leave owing nothing, before joining another Organisation? Otherwise you cannot say your affairs are in order before joining the second one. And on the face of it, your actions could be said to be vindictive to the old and dishonest with the new.

 

 

 

 

This post just about sums it up for any organisation I would think

[Guest]

ian in my club in bo,ness as i think is the same throughout scotland you had to resign from your club but you cant resign from the fed /shu you join that year on year through your club now lets take a diferent situation say you moved out side the boundry of your club would you expect that club to allow you to continue to race in it i dont think so so you are not eligable for membership no differance here only that the snfc had made a rule the you didnt have to resign from them the reason for that was the sec and commitee spent hrs and hrs trying to sort out who was a defaulter who had left the sport and most importantly who had died can you imagine how some ones family would  feel geting a letter threating dept suspension when they were dead hence the reason taken by the agm to run your membership from year to year no need to resign

[Guest]

we are just starting to go over old ground as ive asked before are you for? or against i think bart is the only one to have the ba--s to put it up on this thread it doesnt realy matter to me one way or other but would be nice to see where we are 4/5 years down the line

[Guest]

i guess thats a no from you mav.

[Guest]

status quo for me, same as the last time,

[frank-123]

rules are there to be changed

there are any hardliner's in both side's frank

but will the normal run of the mill guy allow these peole to ruin the sport in scotland forever

arthur scargill was a hard liner

margaret thatcher was a hard liner

what they doing now  so maybe not this year but in years to come the hardliners will be dead

[maverick]

we are just starting to go over old ground as ive asked before are you for? or against i think bart is the only one to have the ba--s to put it up on this thread it doesnt realy matter to me one way or other but would be nice to see where we are 4/5 years down the line

 

NOW NOW  lets talk about ba-ls  the ones with no bal-s are the cowards who ran away from the fight instead of standing and fighting there cause, you keep on about going over old ground of course the lot who ran away never come on here slagging the s.n.f.c.   or s.h.u.  like little school boys nit picking at anything they can The way i see it if you want to come back come back if not get on with it instead of going over old ground all the time

[Guest]

good point bart well put

[maverick]

rules are there to be changed

there are any hardliner's in both side's frank

but will the normal run of the mill guy allow these peole to ruin the sport in scotland forever

arthur scargill was a hard liner

margaret thatcher was a hard liner

what they doing now  so maybe not this year but in years to come the hardliners will be dead

 

Only way you can change rules is to be at the A.G.M and vote on the changes you want so as non members cant see how you can do this unless you join

[Guest]

the fact that this thread ran for as long before we got to this stage must be a sign that its not as bad as it used to be bart thats progress is it not

[Guest IB]

ian in my club in bo,ness as i think is the same throughout scotland you had to resign from your club but you cant resign from the fed /shu you join that year on year through your club now lets take a diferent situation say you moved out side the boundry of your club would you expect that club to allow you to continue to race in it i dont think so so you are not eligable for membership no differance here only that the snfc had made a rule the you didnt have to resign from them the reason for that was the sec and commitee spent hrs and hrs trying to sort out who was a defaulter who had left the sport and most importantly who had died can you imagine how some ones family would  feel geting a letter threating dept suspension when they were dead hence the reason taken by the agm to run your membership from year to year no need to resign

 

You might be right Frank in that there is no need to resign from SNFC, as there is a curious catch for those who fail to pay their fees by a certain time, you are not allowed to join that year? Nearly got caught with it this year. Taking both together, appears membership might be annual after all?

 

I think you should also take encouragement from the add-ons in the thread. At least its being talked about without rancour.

 

And just to repeat: I have no problem with SNFC membership being opened up, but I do not believe that that will sound the deathnell of either National club, tho could lead way for better relationships, and working agreements.

 

 

[Guest]

 

You might be right Frank in that there is no need to resign from SNFC, as there is a curious catch for those who fail to pay their fees by a certain time, you are not allowed to join that year? Nearly got caught with it this year. Taking both together, appears membership might be annual after all?

 

I think you should also take encouragement from the add-ons in the thread. At least its being talked about without rancour.

 

And just to repeat: I have no problem with SNFC membership being opened up, but I do not believe that that will sound the deathnell of either National club, tho could lead way for better relationships, and working agreements.

 

 

when did it change

i know it used to be if you missed the date you had to pay the£25 plus a £6 penalty for late payment

and could race that season in the snfc

a member in my club didnt pay his snfc fees

the following year the club and fed were informed that he was debt suspended

and had to clear with snfc before club would let him race

this was 2 years ago

 

[Guest]

 

You might be right Frank in that there is no need to resign from SNFC, as there is a curious catch for those who fail to pay their fees by a certain time, you are not allowed to join that year? Nearly got caught with it this year. Taking both together, appears membership might be annual after all?

 

I think you should also take encouragement from the add-ons in the thread. At least its being talked about without rancour.

 

And just to repeat: I have no problem with SNFC membership being opened up, but I do not believe that that will sound the deathnell of either National club, tho could lead way for better relationships, and working agreements.

 

 

no,you'v to resign prior to the agm

[frank-123]

 

Only way you can change rules is to be at the A.G.M and vote on the changes you want so as non members cant see how you can do this unless you join

 

i am a fully paid up member of the shu/snfc so i know what way i will be voting if the proposal comes up

and true they should not have left but stayed and fought there corner

and there club just now is well run forward thinking  national

but the money they fly for is pretty poor and  nowhere near the history or prestige of getting a ticket in the snfc in my opinion

 

the snfc lost some good leaders that were replaced by men who did a job as best they could at the time

i just want one national as we don't have the room for two

an auld saying united we stand divided we fall

 

i don't hide my thoughts like some on this site

 

i remember jim cullen standing up at our fed meeting and saying we were fed up with grown men playing its my ball and your not getting it

people are getting totally pissed off with all the fighting

 

 

 

[jimmy white]

before this meeting can anyone give me an example of when a fancier was debt suspended by the snfc for failing to resign and not paying the following year.

 

quite simply ,,no  

 

[any member whose subscription is not paid on or before 1st of april, of each year shall be held to have resigned from the club ] ,,, being the snf club

[naedoos]

Think you must be reading an old rule there jimmy

 

as clocky quoted earlier "any member wishing to resign from membership of club must do so in writing to the secretary prior to AGM"  :-/

[jimmy white]

Think you must be reading an old rule there jimmy

 

as clocky quoted earlier "any member wishing to resign from membership of club must do so in writing to the secretary prior to AGM"  :-/

 

yes it is an old rule ,, but i think it was in place,,as johno said" b4 that meeting"

[Guest]

bang on jimmy i was on the commitee for 3 years before this hapened and remember well  each year bieng asked to find out about various members in sec d my sec that hadnt paid were they still flying or dead before the agm so as not to cause any damage to the clubs reputation of the snfc as was all the commitee and in the 3 years i was on it i cant remember ever puting a member forward for suspension for non payment but given some of the latest posts on here it reminds  me why we had to go and renews my faith in what we done at that time was 100% correct the only thing i miss about bieng in that union is the back stabing and under hand dealings of some and i can tell you its something i can live without thanks very much for reafirming my believe i will stay where i am thankyou very very much

[Guest]

I think some should read the rule book,

[naedoos]

Would personaly love to see just one national but unfortunately don't think it'll ever happen. Not as long as there's a bunch of guys wanting everyone other than themselves take the blame for something that they did.  

[Novice]

bang on jimmy i was on the commitee for 3 years before this hapened and remember well  each year bieng asked to find out about various members in sec d my sec that hadnt paid were they still flying or dead before the agm so as not to cause any damage to the clubs reputation of the snfc as was all the commitee and in the 3 years i was on it i cant remember ever puting a member forward for suspension for non payment but given some of the latest posts on here it reminds  me why we had to go and renews my faith in what we done at that time was 100% correct the only thing i miss about bieng in that union is the back stabing and under hand dealings of some and i can tell you its something i can live without thanks very much for reafirming my believe i will stay where i am thankyou very very much

 

 

Surely there cannot be much to add following this summary post by Frank.

 

[Guest]

nothing at all but one thing i have been taught to-day is allways trust your 1st judgement and i look forward to going to race marking at my club and the snrpc to be with good friendly fanciers not trying to bite my back