widowhood cocks/hens

[Guest casbri]

which is the best to race widowhood cocks or widowhood hens ..and why

[Tony C]

I would say w/hood hens come into condition much earlier in the year than w/hood cocks. W/hood cocks take some beating when they’ve got the sun on their backs.

[phillips]

i sent a widowhood hen to france this yr was told they are more loyal than a cock she finished 2nd club for me

[Guest anto]

ive got some great results out of hens but as tony c says

when the weather heats up its hard 2 beat the cocks

[jack]

cocks for me pal

you will not beat them on a hot day

 

like we get hot days in ireland

 

we have no hot days or work here

and now the  pigs are sick noting

more could go wrong   ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Roland]

Simple answer that. Just look at the nationals.... mostly after 300 miles deffinately hens are tops.

Then see the system! Natural.

Take a step back as to why, and regardless of what system Hens. Why... only one answer to why, and that is because... They are more genuine, more determine and above all - prehaps, they are easier to motivate. Jealousy for instance plays a big part in nigh ALL motivation, whether it's wit another bird, restriction etc. etc. So on a distance / hard race, the hens are tops.

Such as Frank Bristow do really well with their hens... though of course Thurso and Lerwick where he excelled this year wasn't a real distance to him, or a hard races wise, but hens win more for him than cock birds.

[OLDYELLOW]

have to agree with Roland i have flown just cocks for years , but alas no more too many good hens waisted , the N.E.H.U montage for this years U.N.C winners only had 2 cocks and this is in my mind the hotbed for testing strains and sexes so far more hens are winning than cocks in my mind , as stated before ill race then hens first 3 races then ill get cocks out for 4th race and fly whats fit after.

[Guest]

I think there is good and bad in both sexes top w/hood flier in local club was getting beat most weeks by clubmates hens flying roundabout although i still think that as races get longer then the 3C's method is best

[Guest Paulo]

I found with my natural hens I could beat widowhood and roundabout flyers but you had to have the pigeons perfect! Mind you when they were perfect they came like rockets. One hen came to chipping eggs and was fastest pigeon in the amal beat 5,056 birds from a 178 mile race! This day was north wind

 

However if its a sunny day with the wind up their bums widowhood or roundabout pigeons come very well and its hard to beat them unless you are picking your races with the birds.

 

I like my hens and am still racing some next year but am also going to have a team of widowhood cocks to improve my game.

 

9 widowhood cocks and 13 natural hens is total ob team. .I would like to do roundabout but think having eggs gives a hen that extra edge where if you use some of the old time flyers moviation tricks with them helps them to perform

[Wiley]

have to agree with Roland i have flown just cocks for years , but alas no more too many good hens waisted , the N.E.H.U montage for this years U.N.C winners only had 2 cocks and this is in my mind the hotbed for testing strains and sexes so far more hens are winning than cocks in my mind , as stated before ill race then hens first 3 races then ill get cocks out for 4th race and fly whats fit after.

 

I Have to agree that the U>N>C is the hotbed, they send very big birdage, but i wouldnt call there racing entirely testing, with the wind prodominately South Westerly, the wind is mainly up the birds jackseys all year round, so id go with the exception that if you was testing sprint strains or looking to bring in sprint pigeons the UNC is the place to go, but like i said they very rarely have the wind on the nose. But going back on topic, hens i think in most situations perform much better then the cocks, in the early racing when its cold, and also out perform the cocks when the distance increases however they find it very hard to beat a widowhood cock with the sun on his back.

[Roland]

Wiley, I must be in the wrong country with your predominately South westerlies... North  to North Westerlie here, and world wide.

[Wiley]

I tend to agree with you roland however in this case i disagree, even according to the MET Office the predominate wind in england is from the Westerlie to South Westerlie direction, But if i am wrong i will apologies in advanced

[Tony C]

Not sure about the old bird averages racing into London (guess it was in the 1400's) but the young bird averages were won in the 1200's, this suggests the oldbird racing had even amounts of headwinds and with it up their bottle, the youngbirds for the most part had it on their noses.

[Delboy]

If we can get an average of 1100 - 1200 ypm up here in the west of Scotland then we have had a very good years racing. I know folk in the north east of England and they fly in the UNC and their average velocity is usually in the 1400s. Easy flying,corridor flying but still very competitive. Sorry, off the subject a little. Scottish distance racing was dominated by mostly hens in years gone by, but now it has started to even itself out, both cocks and hens are scoring equally.

[wilkins]

wiley is correct south west is the main wind

i think roundabout suits the hens more than cocks which is why hens are beating cocks as more fanciers are trying roundabout , i think it best not to race the hens the cocks are flying to and keep a team of hens paired to unraced cocks

[OLDYELLOW]

wiley is correct south west is the main wind

i think roundabout suits the hens more than cocks which is why hens are beating cocks as more fanciers are trying roundabout , i think it best not to race the hens the cocks are flying to and keep a team of hens paired to unraced cocks

 

if your planing just one round of early bred ybs can fly full just re pair stock to race birds then partners are never lost just an idea i have had but not the room  

[little sam]

IF I COULD ONLY RAE 1 SEX IT WOULD BE HENS, THEY GET INTO CONDITION/FORM QUICKER AND THEY RECOVER MUCH QUICKER THAN COCKS, BUT AS SAID ABOVE A COCK IN THE RIGHT CONDITION WILL BE UP THERE   ;)

[Guest Matador]

Sam, do what I did at Middleton.  Get the club to allow old hens to race with young birds, this way you can still race your wid cocks to their hens through the old bird season and then prep your hens to start with the young birds.  This way helps your young birds at the start to get the right line of flight, and you don't loose as many.  As you well now all the big Nationals are racing Old Hens with young birds your club racing will get them inform for those races?

 

 

Budgie

[Guest asha]

Hi Carbi,better to experiment this season yourself,and let us all know your experiences in the fall,at least you will be talking from experience, facts,not myths,we can all learn and help each other if we write down what we doeach season ,good and bad.

[gangster]

Hi Carbi,better to experiment this season yourself,and let us all know your experiences in the fall,at least you will be talking from experience, facts,not myths,we can all learn and help each other if we write down what we doeach season ,good and bad.

 

GOOD IDEA...

[slatey]

Hi Carbi,better to experiment this season yourself,and let us all know your experiences in the fall,at least you will be talking from experience, facts,not myths,we can all learn and help each other if we write down what we doeach season ,good and bad.

 

casbri if you are mr nathan carder

he already knows how good the hens race nathan and steve his dad are sh*t hot with the hens check this years  squills out  

[ribble]

Sam, do what I did at Middleton.  Get the club to allow old hens to race with young birds, this way you can still race your wid cocks to their hens through the old bird season and then prep your hens to start with the young birds.  This way helps your young birds at the start to get the right line of flight, and you don't loose as many.  As you well now all the big Nationals are racing Old Hens with young birds your club racing will get them inform for those races?

 

 

Budgie

How did you go about getting that through, do the fed have to have a say in the matter?

Certainly a good way to go.

 

 

[Guest]

I'm not sure which is best. In 2006 I flew YB only so 2007 yearlings, raced them on roundabout, in the channel races up to 380 miles my hens beat the cocks everytime (the channel was my aim). Then my cocks got hawked in a bad toss had about 5 pairs going on roundabout. I mated up because of the hawk and my hens went straight off the boil.

In 2008 this time last year I had decided I did not have time to race both sexes, so decide to fly hens only. On pigeon Chat Chichi ran a yearling compettion where 5 yearlings had to be nominated. I nominated 5 hens. But come end of February I decided to fly widowhood cocks on the basis of a pair of nestmate cocks because they were the only two pigeons I thought that would perform for me at Tarbes, even thou  gh I thought overall my hen team would be better. My widowhood cocks in four channel races (missed the first race not ready) won 3 x2, 1 x1 and 78th Open from Tarbes NFC. I was well pleased but next year I'm not sure I think probably widowhood cocks but if I had the time, I would definaately fly roundabout.

The points about location are very interesting. A post somewhere stated that you could not compare a winner flying over 300 miles to Newcastle compared to one winning in Cornwall. Well I've lived in Hampshire, Cornwall, Mid Glamorgan, West Yorkshire, South Yorkshire and Devon; and raced birds in the last 4 locations. I would say the last place in Britain I would want to fly to is Cornwall especially down the Lizard. No disrespect but lots of northeners do not have a clue about the geography down South, sure theres good places to fly from  but not Devon & Cornwall. If you gave me the choice of where to fly between the North East and the south west at 500 miles +, I'd take the NE everytime. The next hardest must be Ireland although they don't fly 550/600 mile these days do they?? If that is the case the toughest long distance racing is to the NW of Scotland I would have thought.

[Guest]

I have got 8 spare hens that will be kept in young bird loft away from main race birds, they will get same treatment as widowhood hens, only difference being that they will have the opportunity to pair up to young cocks as they mature, will let you all know how they race compared to widowhood hens