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[Guest]

Hi all ive been following Vics post about Paratyphoid with interest and that got me thinking (i know that could be dangerous) anyhow i came with an idea that if members of PB kept a record of if/when thier birds contracted Paratyphoid then in the winter next year we could have an on site discussion /debate to see if there was any similarities ie time of year ,area ,had you done anything just prior to illness, etc now i know this is asking fanciers to be as honest as our good friend Mr cards on the table Vic but you never know we may find a common denominator. Some may find an alternative or better treatment than they use now ,at worst we will have something to discuss on the cold winter nights this is just an idea what are your thoughts regards Tony

[pjc]

good idea which would maybe help find the cause but how many fanciers don't even know they've got it or even what it is?

 

Phil

[Guest]

a lot of fanciers treat for it as a preventative

i treat twice a year after y/b raceing and before pairing up

i had it 3 years ago and since treating touch wood have had no problems

i treat with the powder form of parastop

 

 

dave

[swilcox]

i vacinate against it ever year.

[john@formula 1 lofts]

I had this in 2002 after buying a pair of birds in from a very well known breeding loft at the time (has sold up since so i will not name them) Back then i did not no anything about this illness and i lost a lot of birds. and after battling with if for 18 months a battle i was losing i decided to eliminate all my remaining stock birds and kept the few races i had in 1 section totally burnt out the lofts then bleached them before putting in a new floor throughout. i then brought new stock birds which was the start of Formula 1 lofts. since then i have read a lot on this subject and have spoken to various vets around the world on this.

 

the main time this flares up is when the birds are under stress pairing and molting for stock and also racing training for race birds and some times when the y/b's are out for the first time and they night out and this stress them out and it can flare up. i think a lot of people confuse a mild dose as y/b sickness these days.

 

to try to stop it ever coming back i treat with derweert parastop twice a year end of sept and end of march for the race birds just the once for the stock in sept. i also inject after the moult late nov early dec but what i do is just inject no baytril treatment beforehand as i have been told and from my previous experience in 2002 if they are carriers when jabbed without a pre treatment it will knock them side ways so if anything was to show ill effect after the jab it is gone in a flash thankfully i have not had any issues since doing this routine.

 

hope this may help a bit by the way i was told by one of the best pigeon vets in the world in my opinion that 1 in 3 lofts has this in there flock.

 

John

[Ronnie]

If one in three lofts has this you can bet its a lot more now.

Is it salmonella based or are the symptoms just the same?

[Guest]

[bLIND TREATMENT] do you test your birds before you treat them with parastop formula 1.

[Guest]

Great to see people being open

[Guest]

Sorry guys maybe i didnt put my post very well what i was trying to say is a record of 2009 season then in winter of 2009 we could discuss the situation many thanks for replys

[Roland]

I had this in 2002 after buying a pair of birds in from a very well known breeding loft at the time (has sold up since so i will not name them) Back then i did not no anything about this illness and i lost a lot of birds. and after battling with if for 18 months a battle i was losing i decided to eliminate all my remaining stock birds and kept the few races i had in 1 section totally burnt out the lofts then bleached them before putting in a new floor throughout. i then brought new stock birds which was the start of Formula 1 lofts. since then i have read a lot on this subject and have spoken to various vets around the world on this.

 

the main time this flares up is when the birds are under stress pairing and molting for stock and also racing training for race birds and some times when the y/b's are out for the first time and they night out and this stress them out and it can flare up. i think a lot of people confuse a mild dose as y/b sickness these days.

 

to try to stop it ever coming back i treat with derweert parastop twice a year end of sept and end of march for the race birds just the once for the stock in sept. i also inject after the moult late nov early dec but what i do is just inject no baytril treatment beforehand as i have been told and from my previous experience in 2002 if they are carriers when jabbed without a pre treatment it will knock them side ways so if anything was to show ill effect after the jab it is gone in a flash thankfully i have not had any issues since doing this routine.

 

hope this may help a bit by the way i was told by one of the best pigeon vets in the world in my opinion that 1 in 3 lofts has this in there flock.

 

John

 

Well John you are echoing my sentiments and expierence as I have posted. Even the 1 in three, which I harp on about.... too many didn't know it even exists, and treat willy nilly,

Why I ever donated birds etc. May do now, but have posted times what I did, about the same as you. I recomend Vykron used regularly. The main problem is Clear Both, the birds and then the loft.

[Guest IB]

Interesting posts.

 

I'd like to pick up on the pre-treatment with Baytril prior to Vaccination - the source of this advice isn't quoted;

 

I see there is a recent post on Vic's thread which I assume gave rise to the practice? If I read it correctly it is based on assumption from observation - this happened, so I assume.

 

It directly contradicts a scientific paper on salmonella ('Swedish paper') which I found on World Organisation for Animal Health Website, which I also posted-up on Vic's thread last night. Basically it says treat salmonella with antibiotics, and you'll most likley spread it.

 

 

[REDCHEQHEN]

If your birds arekept in a mouse proof loft - don't peck in the garden and don't go in a race basket - you can reasonably assume your birds are safe - but not 100%

none of the above - all birds are at risk

 

and I wish you'd get a life IB

[john@formula 1 lofts]

yes i routinely treat with Parastop also Canker twice a year other then that no i would always consult a vet if any other issues and i have them  tested twice a year before pairing and before racing as well. After speaking to Derweert and a pigeon vet in America they both thought it is worth treating with parastop at the times stated.

 

hope this helps

 

John

[Silverdale Lofts]

yes i routinely treat with Parastop also Canker twice a year other then that no i would always consult a vet if any other issues and i have them  tested twice a year before pairing and before racing as well. After speaking to Derweert and a pigeon vet in America they both thought it is worth treating with parastop at the times stated.

 

hope this helps

 

John

 

John this is what Belgi weerd think of paratyphoid

http://www.belgicadeweerd.nl/bdwenglish/index.html

when you get onto the home page click on the link Paratyphoid

[Guest]

i have a loft of pure white pigeons mostly logans and a few belg birds i get these tested evry month.these birds do not race we have a very succesfull white dove release company.but i have bred winners for other fanciers.all my birds must be a1 at all times.i also have a small stud of top silver shadow vanloons these are treated the same.im sorry i cant see inside a pigeon.TEST IT.

[john@formula 1 lofts]

Yes mate using parastop powder as a disinfection, i no he does not believe in injection but many others do. on a personal note i am not sure but if there is a chance it may keep them clear it is a chance i am willing to take.

 

cheers

 

John

[john@formula 1 lofts]

i have a loft of pure white pigeons mostly logans and a few belg birds i get these tested evry month.these birds do not race we have a very succesfull white dove release company.but i have bred winners for other fanciers.all my birds must be a1 at all times.i also have a small stud of top silver shadow vanloons these are treated the same.im sorry i cant see inside a pigeon.TEST IT.

 

i agree you can not see inside but if you are a experienced fancier you no if your birds are right or not just as parents no if there children are unwell and dog/cat owners no if there pets are not 100% and beleive me my birds have to be 100% at all times as well.

 

[john@formula 1 lofts]

 

a pic of some of my birds pictures taken a month a go

[john@formula 1 lofts]

Yes Rose bred by me but raced by my Mum & Dad

[Guest]

 

a pic of some of my birds pictures taken a month a go

 

my word birds to be proud of

[Guest]

seen better whites (JOKE)nice birds.

[Premier]

Hi John,

Nice pictures I noticed they were done by Dave Stone, does he do anyones? if so can you give me his contact details

Cheers

Jason

[john@formula 1 lofts]

hi mate his number is 07769881594 just tell him i gave you his number he is a top bloke and very good with the pics mind you he is very busy.

 

cheers

 

John

[just ask me]

i vaacinate the only way never had any problems

[Premier]

hi mate his number is 07769881594 just tell him i gave you his number he is a top bloke and very good with the pics mind you he is very busy.

 

cheers

 

John

 

Cheers John, i will give him a call

 

Jason