Guest WINGS 04 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 AWARDS FOR ALL DOSE THIS MEAN WHEN A CLUB GET'S A GRANT IT CAN'T STOP SOMEONE FROM JOINING IF THEY ARE NOT SUSPENDED FROM THE FED OR CAN THEY ??????????
frank-123 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 It all comes down to discrimination bart,which in this day and age is not on.If someone was willing to risk putting up the moneys to fight this legally,well i think there would have a very strong chance they would succeed in winning the case.I would also suggest the SHU/SNFC case could be fought on similar grounds of discrimination. rules vincent are there to be challenged i am sure if lanarkshire fed found this to be wrong the rule would be changed discrimination hardly
me Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 no off the drink since friday can you explain again what rights of freedom of association are again just so i can try understand you "me" Ok but this is the last time!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Say I am a member of Carluke club and I decide to join a trade union, but Carluke club expel "me" as they have a rule that trade unionists can not be a member of the club, that is illegal under laws introduced to protect "freedom of association". Now say I am a member of Carluke club and I decide to join Kirkfieldbank club , but Carluke club expel me because I have become a member of an organistion they do not approve of. This is also illegal under the same act. In effect the trade union and Kirkfiedbank club are one and the same under the act. Hope this helps.
cowman Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 i know ppl that are members of 2 clubs within 10 miles of each other and each club flys with a differant fed so yes it can be done
Guest Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 i dont disagree with any of the posts on this thread but why do we feel the need to shoot ourself in the foot every time if you cant be a member because of a rule that was passed many years ago that doesnt mean we should all go running to lawyers (THEIR IS NO PLACE IN PIGEONS FOR LAWYERS) thats how we got into this whole mess bring back the good old days
Guest Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 rules vincent are there to be challenged i am sure if lanarkshire fed found this to be wrong the rule would be changed discrimination hardly Bart there used to be height restrictions to join the police.They had to be removed because of the laws of discrimination.I believe this same law could be used in these cases.
weecunny Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 so hope that clud u were in has had a grant mate
Guest bigda Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 all clubs have rules dose that mean, if i am a member of a golf club say a council one dose that give me a right to join another, one a private club and can they refuse me if they have lottery grants :-/
Guest IB Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 Have you been drinking Bart lad?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have already explained that the individuals "rights of freedom of association" are protected in law. I think we have had this discussion before. In addition to the right of freedom of association, individuals also have the right not to associate with certain people. That principle can be seen in the link which Bart posted:- 2. No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights (freedom of association) other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others. There isn’t any law which forces anyone to associate with known troublemakers, nor are they forced by law to allow them into their social circle. Having said that, I don't know why the Lanarkshire rule came about, or what its purpose was. It may well fall into an area sanctioned by paragraph 2.
ALF Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 Everyone in Lanarkshire knows why the rule was put in place at the time it was but is it wrong now?
fosseside Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 i dont disagree with any of the posts on this thread but why do we feel the need to shoot ourself in the foot every time if you cant be a member because of a rule that was passed many years ago that doesnt mean we should all go running to lawyers (THEIR IS NO PLACE IN PIGEONS FOR LAWYERS) thats how we got into this whole mess bring back the good old days[/quote well said frank ,some people lawyers would not entertain ie trouble makers
jimmy white Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 AWARDS FOR ALL DOSE THIS MEAN WHEN A CLUB GET'S A GRANT IT CAN'T STOP SOMEONE FROM JOINING IF THEY ARE NOT SUSPENDED FROM THE FED OR CAN THEY ?????????? reading the" awards for all " rules etc ..... very carefully indeed,, means that the award is to help ALL in the community.
Guest bigda Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 that's a bit like in olden times, if the club say your a witch well a witch is what you are and no one will be able to say different, thats the bit the law kept unto its self incase the poor wanted to join the cigar club and mix ;D ;D ;D
Guest WINGS 04 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 WELL I TRYED TO FIEND THIS OUT FROM THE AWARDS FOR ALL AND THEY TOLD ME THAT THERE WAS NOTHING THEY COULD DO
HOMER49 Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 reading the" awards for all " rules etc ..... very carefully indeed,, means that the award is to help ALL in the community. Hi Jimmy there is a child sex offender who has applied to join our club and the parents sometimes bring there children According to you we must let him in ABSOLUTE BULL Cheers Homer 49
Guest bigda Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 simpler, if the club says your a trouble maker, you cant get in, and cant make members reveal the reason either, its all tied up the lords seen to that ;D
jimmy white Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 Hi Jimmy there is a child sex offender who has applied to join our club and the parents sometimes bring there children According to you we must let him in ABSOLUTE BULL Cheers Homer 49 all i said was the awards for all,,,,were to help the community ,,, according to me that child sex offender would not only not get in,,he would get life , if i had my way,,, > > >
Guest Posted March 8, 2009 Report Posted March 8, 2009 prob way off here but if your a member of the snfc/snrpc are you not already breaking that rule by being a member of 2 clubs in different orginisations ?
Guest bigda Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 the rule for that is not challenge as to divided the national any further, as members had paid dues before the other one was set up, and there was not a list drawn up of members at that time, but i think there are rules in place now to new members to have only one union but it must be a easier way to combine back into one now, as the management has changed, and should not hold the same threat as it once did in there eyes so the excuses are wearing thinner by the year some want duel membership, if the snfc had done that i AM afraid the snrpc would have folded, as the members are never in favour of paying any more than one union, just my opinion as to what, pigeon fanciers are like
Guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 bigda this has nothing to do with any of the nats. and as for the SNRPC folding that will never happen yes we have dual members but only about a hundred and whos to say that they might not have given up the snfc if forced to chose we will never know what would have happened but this is about joining two feds L/F is the only fed with this rule as far as i know thats there business i can see why they have it but the question is is it right/lawful
Guest bigda Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 bigda this has nothing to do with any of the nats. and as for the SNRPC folding that will never happen yes we have dual members but only about a hundred and whos to say that they might not have given up the snfc if forced to chose we will never know what would have happened but this is about joining two feds L/F is the only fed with this rule as far as i know thats there business i can see why they have it but the question is is it right/lawful only answering djw post frank, but i think if the snfc had let them all in , time would have been on the snfc hands and money talks and as things get tighter prioritys come in to place
Guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 i see where you were comming from but the ans. to djw is the L/F rule is only to do with bieng a member of one fed not clubs and you may be right as the credit crunch starts money might come in to it our birdage is cheaper and we have the state of the art transporters to suit any birdage big or small
Guest bigda Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 i see where you were comming from but the ans. to djw is the L/F rule is only to do with bieng a member of one fed not clubs and you may be right as the credit crunch starts money might come in to it our birdage is cheaper and we have the state of the art transporters to suit any birdage big or small can only hope thats al,l as to where this is going to go dont know a transport driver might be a good job shortly or basket man ;D
Guest Posted March 9, 2009 Report Posted March 9, 2009 i see where you were comming from but the ans. to djw is the L/F rule is only to do with bieng a member of one fed not clubs and you may be right as the credit crunch starts money might come in to it our birdage is cheaper and we have the state of the art transporters to suit any birdage big or small sorry to cause confusion as frank said i was refering to being a member of l/f and 1 other club/ orginisation not both nationals (just used as an example)
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