ohiogsp Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 I think this is what it is called. Has anyone done this? I am breeding from 12 pair in my garage. They are on lights and heat. Lights on 20 hours a day. When I tranfer them to the yb loft outside they fall apart body moulting like crazy. I think I will have to do something about the flights so I am going to cut the first 3 after they drop one and pull them after 10 days. I will put the lights on in the yb loft after the longest day of the year here to hold the feathers through the race season here. What do you think sound about right?
peterpau Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 Don't pull flights they will never grow to full length. About 1/2 to an inch shorter.
pjc Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 read up on lightness and get them through the moult, don't let them start and then try to check/stop it!
ohiogsp Posted March 10, 2009 Author Report Posted March 10, 2009 read up on lightness and get them through the moult, don't let them start and then try to check/stop it! Are you talking about later in the year? If so I would be close to racing season here. Also I never heard flights won't grow back to full lenght? What am I supposed to do about the molting of #8,#9,and #10 flights during racing then?
pjc Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 The idea of the lightness system is to get the birds through the moult before racing as oposed to darkness where you delay the moult before racing starts to give the birds a full wing.
Roland Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 That is the 'Lighting' System. Many do it, and on other threads never ever heard anything about flights being pulled not growing bac normal, indeed the contary that it doesn't harm at all. Darkness is realy restriction of sunlight. After June or so no problem. I have a natual dark y/b section. Out between 8 in morning and 4 -30 even in afternoon. Seems to be the better way. Don't know enough reality here to discuss it, just following a 'Named' flyer that does the same, showed me and suggested I do the same... See what happens eh.
schouwman71 Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 theres better ways i think than pulling flights out of youngsters,there only young for 1 season,and many more seasons to come.they use to say if you flew darkness has youngsters they never won has yearlings,how wrong they were. les
ohiogsp Posted March 10, 2009 Author Report Posted March 10, 2009 I am in the US. I only fly yb's (like alot of people here). These birds are only just over a month old and are molting like crazy. Someone told me if I didn't put the lights back on them after the longest day they would molt again? Do you think they will get through the molt? The flights also? Last year I flew natural and had problems with birds being on the 9 or 10 in the money races. Lots of people pull flights here especially in flordia cause alot of the systems don't work well there. Reason is it is too hot and humid. I have heard there are some there that pull 5 flights and tail feathers also.
pjc Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 I would breed early and use the heat and conditions to your advantage along with the right feeding to get them through the moult before racing! Why don't you race oldbirds and what do you do with them at the end of the season?
ohiogsp Posted March 10, 2009 Author Report Posted March 10, 2009 OB racing is not as popular here in the states. I only have time to do one and since more people race yb's and the fact you can't race ob's without racing yb's I choose to race yb's. I keep the very best at the end of the season for the stock loft, sell or give away some and cull the rest. I am not a person that thinks you should kill something for no reason so I eat the culls. They make a very good beef stroganoff just substitute the pigeon meat.
weecunny Posted March 10, 2009 Report Posted March 10, 2009 who told u to cut flights then pull the other half out think that a big no no mate
ohiogsp Posted March 11, 2009 Author Report Posted March 11, 2009 I have read it in alot of systems over the years that pull flights. One goes back to the 70's but the most recient system that uses that is the Alex Bieche system and it is simular to what I am doing here. People are having luck with it here. Oh, Alex may have won the Champion loft award for the whole US last year and if he did not he was very close I would have to check.
pjc Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 just because somebody else does it doesn't make pulling flights the right thing to do!
Roland Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 Been done for donkey's years, and still popular in the States / Canada etc.
Wiley Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 Its called the Power Moult, and has been practiced for years in the states and canada, and at one time one of the best fanciers i knew also done this, would do this after they have been trained very well, but would breed early, as the birds would be on the floor for upto six weeks,
Roland Posted March 11, 2009 Report Posted March 11, 2009 Personally, If I was a fancier that wanted prestige, a few cards etc. then there would be nothing that would stop me gaining a 'One Upmanship' in this regards. As I say, is prevalent, will carry on being done, and obviously has benefits, regardless what many here would deem not, so good shall we say, but the fact is that it is effective, and will continue to be practised regardless of any so - called bad taste that may be aligned to it! Simply put it does work, is of a benefit, and many use this pratice.
ohiogsp Posted March 12, 2009 Author Report Posted March 12, 2009 Thanks for the advise guys. I will let you know how my birds hold up to my natural birds at the end of the year.
pigeonpete Posted March 12, 2009 Report Posted March 12, 2009 im no expert!! but would never pull flights!!
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