INFERIOR HOMING ABILITY

[walterbmasson]

 

HAS SPRINT BIRDS GOT INFERIOR HOMING ABILITY COMPAREDTO LONG DISTANCE BIRDS I DONT THINK THEY CAN NAVIGATE IN DODGY WEATHER IN FINE WEATHER CLOCKS FULL BUT WHEN WEATHER NOT GOOD VERY LITTLE TIMED SPRINTERS MISSING DISTANCE FAR BETTER RETURNS HOW MANY SPRINT FANCIERS DONT PUT THEM IN DODGY FORCASTS IN CASE OF BEING WIPED OUT MYSELF I PUT THEM EVERY WEEK  8) 8) 8)

[blaz]

some sprint birds up hear are aimed at a race in December and i for one do ok with them. start to train end November for race on 20th dec lost one training . and one at race one at race was wire SHOT or hawk. and on one day training we hit snow sleet and rain on way home plus NNW wind birds where back before us.

[just ask me]

i race sprint (and not to bad at if i do say so myself) but a real good mate of mine is a long distance fanatic a real top class long distance fancier too

 

he was getting a bird or two off me every few year or so i was thinking he was going to have a go at the sprint racing but i was wrong so i asked him what was he at he told me that a sprint bird has to have really good homing instincts if u think about it he said if a sprint bird leaves his line of flight slightly even race over hes not in the results so he said for them its about finding the quickest way home  

 

i know a lot wont agree with this but he is very successful over 500 mile

 

what do they it takes all kinds  ;D

[Guest chrisss]

i race sprint (and not to bad at if i do say so myself) but a real good mate of mine is a long distance fanatic a real top class long distance fancier too

 

he was getting a bird or two off me every few year or so i was thinking he was going to have a go at the sprint racing but i was wrong so i asked him what was he at he told me that a sprint bird has to have really good homing instincts if u think about it he said if a sprint bird leaves his line of flight slightly even race over hes not in the results so he said for them its about finding the quickest way home  

 

i know a lot wont agree with this but he is very successful over 500 mile

 

what do they it takes all kinds  ;D

 

i read that somewhere, that a sprint bird only got the one chance to find its way home so its navigation had to be spot on

[walterbmasson]

 

 

BLAZ IAM NOT ON ABOUT TRAINING DOWN THE ROAD A BIT ITS WHEN AT A RACE ABOUT 250 TO 300MLS WHAT I HAVE NOTICED A BIG DIFFERENCE IN AMOUNT HOME IN DODGY DAYS NOTHING AGAINST SPRINTERS ITS WHAT DOES OTHER FANCIERS THINK  8) 8) 8)

[walterbmasson]

 

 

THAT IS WHAT IAM GETTING AT THERE MUST BE A LOT GOING THE WRONG DIRECTION WHEN ITS DODGY DAYS

[blaz]

 

BLAZ IAM NOT ON ABOUT TRAINING DOWN THE ROAD A BIT ITS WHEN AT A RACE ABOUT 250 TO 300MLS WHAT I HAVE NOTICED A BIG DIFFERENCE IN AMOUNT HOME IN DODGY DAYS NOTHING AGAINST SPRINTERS ITS WHAT DOES OTHER FANCIERS THINK  8) 8) 8)

 

ok walter

[just ask me]

well at times a race from 200 to 300 mile can turn into a disaster but id expect average to good  sprint birds in the right hands can do 200 to 300 mile no problem

[Guest Owen]

Some years ago I was buying birds from everywhere and paying good money for them. They were middle to long distance. I could'nt win a bladder and my returns were always spread over a long period of time. Worse still my losses were very bad especially the young birds. I decided to breed for homing ability. I would have liked to have bred for winners but I did'nt have any that bred winners. The few winners I had, bred birds that I lost, no matter how I permed the pairings.

So I stopped my buying and only bred from the most consistant homers. These days I have basically two types of pigeons. Sprinters which are mostly white. And middle distance birds that do well up to about 400 miles. I have no idea which of these have the best homing ability but they are all very good homers. I have had them come back here in all sorts of states. So much so that I have wondered how on earth they could have done it. The down side of all this is the fact at the end of each season I have to select which to keep and which to go. Not a nice job but essential if I am to progress in the quest to breed a winning family. These days I have multiple winners which are producing good consistant birds that win. I have tried crossing the sprinters with the others and have bred some nice birds but they are always just behind in any competition. I think that I have bred sprinters that are slowed by the middle distance genes. And middle distance birds that don't have quite enough stamina to win the middle distance races. I will have one more try this year using a really good sprint winning white cock and a middle distance winning blue hen from a quality winning family. On paper these two would impress most people, but will they produce what I want?

[Guest Hjaltland]

Very interesting point Walter. It's certainly a different bird that excels on poor days, good homing ability is essential but you also need stamina and motivation. What's bred in the north of scotland is most likely with the distance in mind - no cream cookie fair weather powder puff sprinters..

[blaz]

Very interesting point Walter. It's certainly a different bird that excels on poor days, good homing ability is essential but you also need stamina and motivation. What's bred in the north of Scotland is most likely with the distance in mind - no cream cookie fair weather powder puff sprinters..

 

powder puff sprinters  none bred up north old Scottish saying your talking a load o tripe

[Guest Hjaltland]

You cannot describe East Lothian as 'Up North' ... soft southerener

[Guest G.Drysdale + son]

You cannot describe East Lothian as 'Up North' ... soft southerener

 

Lot's of great golf courses in East Lothian.Caught a pigeon at Winterfield G.C(Dunbar) last year members said it was just wandering about for days made no attempt to fly away.

[blaz]

You cannot describe East Lothian as 'Up North' ... soft southerener

 

no one is trying to describe east lothian in any way what so ever as i said  talking tripe

[Guest]

I don't think its too do with homing ability its to with their physical setup.

 

Would you say that Usain Bolt is less of an athlete or runner than than say Waldemar Ciepinski? Both good at what distance there body allows them to succeed at.

[just ask me]

I don't think its too do with homing ability its to with their physical setup.

 

Would you say that Usain Bolt is less of an athlete or runner than than say Waldemar Ciepinski? Both good at what distance there body allows them to succeed at.

 

very well put if u look at my post tried to say the same thing u just put it better  

[Guest]

 

very well put if u look at my post tried to say the same thing u just put it better  

 

No worries. This my usual line, when selecting sprint/distance birds. I hear lot of guys say long disatnce birds need bigger muscle build up for the distance, i think its the opposite, big muscle for short races, small muscle for longer races. The smaller the muscle the less the energy it burns, the longer it goes on, same as athletes!

 

[blaz]

very well put mickb horses for courses

[just ask me]

 

No worries. This my usual line, when selecting sprint/distance birds. I hear lot of guys say long disatnce birds need bigger muscle build up for the distance, i think its the opposite, big muscle for short races, small muscle for longer races. The smaller the muscle the less the energy it burns, the longer it goes on, same as athletes!

 

can i use it aswell its mine now  ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

 

can i use it aswell its mine now  ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

no worries if you agree lol!!

 

 

[swilcox]

In truth a sprinter has an hieghtened ability of homing as it has to be in the loft quicker and has less margin for error.

 

A pigeons ability to home can only be judged in the basket, so many modern pigeons have so little ability as there are bred from generations of non racers, bred by non fanciers.

[swilcox]

The only thing that is different between a sprinter and distance pigeon is endurance!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Roland]

Agree somewhat with some of Swilcox's posts.

But was always told, that to build ANY family, for any type of didtance that one is interested in racing, Distance need to be the main stay. One can win with distances birds at any distance.... Natrix etc. for Biss was a good at 50 milers. Indeed often on at the 50 miles before main season and as a bonus at seasons ends I read.

[Guest]

Up to 200 miles,i believe most will achieve this will relative ease.But after this point things start to get slightly more demanding.Some will achieve 350 once but will not do it again,again mediocre.But once they hit 500 miles into the west of Scotland they are good birds,twice really good birds,three times at this distance exceptional birds within every aspect of their game.For me Superior homing ability only comes when they have achieved this feat on several occasions,sprinters just do not fall into this category for me.

[hotrod]

It all depends on motivation . Sprint pigeons are on a SYSTEM ,round about, widowhood,jealousy, double darkness(homer49) whatever, so are motivated to win, therefor out the basket with one thing on there mind straight home for nooookie. Were as distance pigeons dont have this desire at the sprint races to home but when the real racing starts then love of home/nest/hen/cock/ fancier whatever they love comes into it ,so keep going to get home .