Guest mikkey Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 yesterday morning i got a stray racer in with my rollers. it wasnt stamped so i took the ring number and looked it up on the rpra ring list, the list said contact rpra, so i sent them an email with the birds details, they emailed me back with the owners phone number to ring but the line was dead, so after more emails they gave me the owners club sec number, i couldnt get through to this either. then it dawned on me why was i doing all the ringing around, i had gone out of my way to get this bird back to its owner but the rpra kept passing it back to me. surely they should have sorted the bird out not me and people wonder why they dont get their birds reported............anyway i fed and watered the bird and let it out this morning, hopefully it will make its way back home..........................cheers RPRA............
Guest strapper Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 yesterday morning i got a stray racer in with my rollers. it wasnt stamped so i took the ring number and looked it up on the rpra ring list, the list said contact rpra, so i sent them an email with the birds details, they emailed me back with the owners phone number to ring but the line was dead, so after more emails they gave me the owners club sec number, i couldnt get through to this either. then it dawned on me why was i doing all the ringing around, i had gone out of my way to get this bird back to its owner but the rpra kept passing it back to me. surely they should have sorted the bird out not me and people wonder why they dont get their birds reported............anyway i fed and watered the bird and let it out this morning, hopefully it will make its way back home..........................cheers RPRA............ once a bird is reported its official they have to send a stray letter to the owner.
Guest mikkey Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 well im afraid mr Bills didnt do his job properly
hepste Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Sorry mikkey I disagree with you. They did all they could reasonably be expected to do, bearing in mind the bird belongs to a third party. They are merely a conduit through which information is passed on. If they took on more responsibilities, they would posssibly have to increase no.of staff, with consequential increase in costs etc.
Guest mikkey Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 well if thats your opinion fair enough mate but im not a racing man, i fly rollers so i went well out of my way to help the bird ...did they ??... it would have been just as easy for them to pick up the phone and report the bird rather than expecting me to do it. suppose i was a non fancier would they have still done everything possible ????
pjc Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 This is common practice with the RPRA and they are skating on very thin ice! If you as effectivly a non member (i guess your not a member of the RPRA if you keep rollers) have been given a 3rd partys details the RPRA are breaking the data protection act! They don't know you from Adam, you could be a stray catcher etc etc. The RPRA should take your details, ask you to keep the bird confined and contact the member whose responsibility it is to collect the bird etc. Phil
Guest chrisss Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 This is common practice with the RPRA and they are skating on very thin ice! If you as effectivly a non member (i guess your not a member of the RPRA if you keep rollers) have been given a 3rd partys details the RPRA are breaking the data protection act! They don't know you from Adam, you could be a stray catcher etc etc. The RPRA should take your details, ask you to keep the bird confined and contact the member whose responsibility it is to collect the bird etc. Phil thats a good point,i always thought the rpra contacted the owner,[to be fair i always moan that it would be better to give me the details so i can contact the owner myself as its faster]so what are the "official" rules on this?
pjc Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 a few years ago there were issues with details being given to stray catchers who then charged members for the birds keep and return so I thought all the giving of details had stopped.
Guest chrisss Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 a few years ago there were issues with details being given to stray catchers who then charged members for the birds keep and return so I thought all the giving of details had stopped. right i remember a guy on here doing his nut about a stray catcher having one of his birds, and the rpra siding with the stray catcher
pjc Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 and the shop involved with or run by the said stray catcher in Birmingham is a member of this forum!
Guest chrisss Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 and the shop involved with or run by the said stray catcher in Birmingham is a member of this forum! oh what a stunning surprise that one ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Roland Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 well if thats your opinion fair enough mate but im not a racing man, i fly rollers so i went well out of my way to help the bird ...did they ??... it would have been just as easy for them to pick up the phone and report the bird rather than expecting me to do it. suppose i was a non fancier would they have still done everything possible ???? Have sympathies with both views... Yes the RPRA do send letters out etc. and have to be sort / agreed action within two weeks... Futher Mikkey, was one slight thing, and No flyers quickly mention that they are 'Pigeon Racing' but general public. If this stance was stated, I'm sure hey would have acted very quickly indeed. Feel for you Mikkey, in as much as it must have felt a thnkless chore to you.
TERRY JOHNSON Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Hello Mikkey, Surely the best thing to have done was feed, water & liberate the bird away from your own BEFORE trying to find the owner !. If it didnt clear then try & find the owner. Just my thoughts of course.
Guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Hello Mikkey, Surely the best thing to have done was feed, water & liberate the bird away from your own BEFORE trying to find the owner !. If it didnt clear then try & find the owner. Just my thoughts of course. Good point!
hepste Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 This is common practice with the RPRA and they are skating on very thin ice! If you as effectivly a non member (i guess your not a member of the RPRA if you keep rollers) have been given a 3rd partys details the RPRA are breaking the data protection act! They don't know you from Adam, you could be a stray catcher etc etc. The RPRA should take your details, ask you to keep the bird confined and contact the member whose responsibility it is to collect the bird etc. Phil Regret you are wrong. Off the top of my head, rule 109 or 110, or someplace, it says that the non owner, and or non fancier can be given the details of the owner. By agreeing to be members of the RPRA, we sign up to this rule, and in so doing give authority for the DPA to be overidden in the appropriate circumstances.
Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Regret you are wrong. Off the top of my head, rule 109 or 110, or someplace, it says that the non owner, and or non fancier can be given the details of the owner. By agreeing to be members of the RPRA, we sign up to this rule, and in so doing give authority for the DPA to be overidden in the appropriate circumstances. i have been given a owners number and details... i afraid i agree with this statement. we sign up to what the rules are to which organisation we are affiliated to.
Guest chrisss Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 so i have i when i have asked for them, as i said earlier it was done to save time, and because it was a yb that would not clear,i think thats why most of the time strays are never reported [oh god here we go again sorry]
Guest TIMBARRA LOFTS Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 whos the stray catcher on here your guess is as good as mine.. :-/
Guest Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 your guess is as good as mine.. :-/ IT COULD BE ME ;D ;D
pjc Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Regret you are wrong. Off the top of my head, rule 109 or 110, or someplace, it says that the non owner, and or non fancier can be given the details of the owner. By agreeing to be members of the RPRA, we sign up to this rule, and in so doing give authority for the DPA to be overidden in the appropriate circumstances. I/we have RPRA rings registered with the reddings but are not RPRA members so where have i agreed for them to give out my details? Also the finder of this bird is a non RPRA member and could have been anybody! We all want our birds back as quickly as possible but feel the RPRA should be making the contact before passing on details.
les Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Hello Mikkey, Surely the best thing to have done was feed, water & liberate the bird away from your own BEFORE trying to find the owner !. If it didnt clear then try & find the owner. Just my thoughts of course.i always contact the owner firts ,just incase it is a very good bird that has made a mistake ,and the owner has a chance to get it back in one piece [hawks]
les Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 I/we have RPRA rings registered with the reddings but are not RPRA members so where have i agreed for them to give out my details? Also the finder of this bird is a non RPRA member and could have been anybody! We all want our birds back as quickly as possible but feel the RPRA should be making the contact before passing on details. this might be down to me [being the persistant person i am ]when i first got pigeons 7 years ago i would get every one in my club to bring the stray birds in on a saturday ,then i would report them to the RPRA, at first they would only say thank you and you will recive a letter in the post with the owners name and address ,also he or she will be informed you have it ,this was ok untill i started to have a lot of stray pigeons to look after and feed [ie up to 20 or 30 ] it got a bit mutch ,so i started to ask for a contact number from the RPRA ,they was reluctant at first ,untill i said ok i will get all these stray birds deliverd to you then you can look after them untill they were collected ,[funny thing is they started to give me contact details ]but only for old birds ,they said they could not give details for young birds because people would realise that some of the strays came from very good flyers [so being pigeon folk ]they might just say it got out and keep the bird ,i just explaind what realy is the differencs i could do that with old birds as well .stupid person had to agree with me so i got the owners details for young birds as well ,[they realy hated me at the redings .] ;D
Guest mikkey Posted March 31, 2009 Report Posted March 31, 2009 Hello Mikkey, Surely the best thing to have done was feed, water & liberate the bird away from your own BEFORE trying to find the owner !. If it didnt clear then try & find the owner. Just my thoughts of course. yea you may be right there terry but like i said im not a racer man, so i dont know whats best to do with a stray racer. for all i know the bird could have been worth hundreds of pounds, so do i just kick the bird out to get lost somewhere else, or to go into someone elses loft who might keep it for themselves or bin it...................the next racer that enters my loft wont be fed ,watered, or reported...........less hassle for me..................you racer men only have youselves to blame for lost birds not being reported
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