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[Guest]

have a pair of youngbirds in the nest ,one a red chec the other a blue ,was looking for an indication as to sex of each ?     sire is red chec , dam is a blue . thanks in advance .          andy.

[thunderboult]

if sire is red  i think red youngster's will be hens

[chichichi]

this should help

 

Pairings - Youngsters

Cock x Hen = Cock - Hen youngsters

 

Blue x Blue = Blue cocks - Blue hens

Blue x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue hens

Blue x Blue Cq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Mealy x Blue = Blue, Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens

Mealy x Mealy = Mealy cocks - Blue, Mealy hens

Mealy x Blue = Mealy, Red, Blue cocks - Mealy, Red Blue hens

Chequer = Blue Cheq cocks - Blue Cheq hens

Mealy x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue Cheq x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue Cheq x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue Cheq x Blue Cq = Blue, Blue Cheq cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Blue Cheq x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Red x Blue = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Red, Mealy hens

Red x Mealy = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens

Red x Blue Cheq = Blue, Blue Cheq, Red Mealy cocks - Blue, Blue Cheq, Mealy, Red hens

Red x Red = Mealy, Red cocks - Mealy, Red, Blue, Blue Cheq hens

 

 

best of luck

 

ant

[ALF]

Just race them Andy and worry what they are at the end of the y/b season mate if they are still there

[Guest]

;)thanks for the replies ,was looking for an indication . there is a gold ring race towards end of season ,and would prefer hens to go . thanks again .               andy.

[ALF]

;)thanks for the replies ,was looking for an indication . there is a gold ring race towards end of season ,and would prefer hens to go . thanks again .               andy.

 

So if it's a cock are you not sending it then?

[Guest]

 

So if it's a cock are you not sending it then?

;Dif i put ring on the cock it would go,had a good performance before from a young hen feeding a big youngster having taken cock away ,and was hoping for a similar performance this time .just trying to increase the odds in my favour                         andy.

 

 

[Guest]

Douglas McClary's book "pigeons for everyone" has an excelent chapter on colour pairings,although not always correct and having no reference to the colours black and white it is excelent as a rough guide and the whole book in general is very good.The problem with predicting colour is that unntil you have several generationns in your loft you won't actually know what colours make up the ancestory of your birds annd even when you do there can still be unexpected throw backs from many generations ago.Colour genetics is a science in itself and I have several fancier friends who are completely absorbed in the subject and it can get very complicated not just through colour but by pattern too,ie T pattern,bars etc etc.Colour and pattern in pigeons is a truly fascinating subject.

[ALF]

;Dif i put ring on the cock it would go,had a good performance before from a young hen feeding a big youngster having taken cock away ,and was hoping for a similar performance this time .just trying to increase the odds in my favour                         andy.

 

 

Stick a gold ring on both o them ya miser ye :P ;D ;D ;D ;D

[Guest]

 

Stick a gold ring on both o them ya miser ye :P ;D ;D ;D ;D

;D ;D ;D ;Donly one left  ;D have used the others up and £10 a go  :X :X :X                     andy.

 

 

[Guest]

Douglas McClary's book "pigeons for everyone" has an excelent chapter on colour pairings,although not always correct and having no reference to the colours black and white it is excelent as a rough guide and the whole book in general is very good.The problem with predicting colour is that unntil you have several generationns in your loft you won't actually know what colours make up the ancestory of your birds annd even when you do there can still be unexpected throw backs from many generations ago.Colour genetics is a science in itself and I have several fancier friends who are completely absorbed in the subject and it can get very complicated not just through colour but by pattern too,ie T pattern,bars etc etc.Colour and pattern in pigeons is a truly fascinating subject.

;)thanks Chrissy ,yes i am interested ,but not to the point of obsession  ;D , had a yb last year a pencil blue cock with a white flight in one wing and a white grizzle flight in the other ,sire a blue and dam blue chec ,his grandsire was same as he and bred many winners locally .so took a chance and put him in stock loft this time ,hopefully young will fly well ,or maybe a little knowledge is a dangerous thing  ;D                                   andy.

 

 

[Roland]

Had a Mealy x Cheq Pied that threw Grizzles. One Red and One Black ( Cheq mealy perhap). Both Birds were gifted.

Unfortunately the two nests of their youngsters died. I got shot of the parents too of course.

Real shame too, as they were great looking and me being partial to Grizzles, especially Reds....

[Roland]

Great post Chrissy.

[REDCHEQHEN]

if sire is red  i think red youngster's will be hens

 

(evil) wrong (evil) but never mind

 

have a pair of youngbirds in the nest ,one a red chec the other a blue ,was looking for an indication as to sex of each ?     sire is red chec , dam is a blue . thanks in advance .          andy.

 

has the young red one got black splashes on it?

 

I have the same pairing - sire red cheq dam blue bar

 

one red one and one blue bar in the nest

 

the red one is smaller than the blue - but the red one has black splashes - which usually - but not always indicates that it is a cock

 

its easier when the pairings are the other way round - ie dam - red cheq, sire: blue - as the reds/mealies are cocks - but it could be either when its the other way round

[Guest]

I always believed in the genetic colour matching. BUT last year I had a red in the nest from a bl and ch, must have been tread by a different cock , but only bl & ch in my stock loft, all prisoners????Now how can that be????? :-/ :-/ ??)  

[Guest]

 

(evil) wrong (evil) but never mind

 

 

 

has the young red one got black splashes on it?

 

I have the same pairing - sire red cheq dam blue bar

 

one red one and one blue bar in the nest

 

the red one is smaller than the blue - but the red one has black splashes - which usually - but not always indicates that it is a cock

 

its easier when the pairings are the other way round - ie dam - red cheq, sire: blue - as the reds/mealies are cocks - but it could be either when its the other way round

;)no apparent black splashes on yb , but sire is same ,it was a hen all season ,wintered as a hen ,put into nest box as a hen ,started driving the cock after 3 days ?? was placed back in with spare hens ,its few black splashes came into plumage then ? and blue hen he? took to placed in a section of there own ,never seen him make a move , but 2 eggs laid 10 days later and 2 ybs in nest now .                                                     andy.

 

 

[Wiley]

Had a Mealy x Cheq Pied that threw Grizzles. One Red and One Black ( Cheq mealy perhap). Both Birds were gifted.

Unfortunately the two nests of their youngsters died. I got shot of the parents too of course.

Real shame too, as they were great looking and me being partial to Grizzles, especially Reds....

 

Not to be a downer roland, but i heard that normal colours throughing grizzles, is a sign of carriers of paratyphoid, heard this many years ago when i had a cheq x a blue throw a chequer grizzle, the following year i did catch the dreaded disease and it started in the section those birds where kept, coincidence could be,  

[Guest]

;Dupdate ,this young pair just weaned ,red che has a few pencil marks on two flights and is a cock i am sure ,the blue ? well time will tell ;D ;D                    andy.