WHOS BIRDS ARE BETTER

[Guest]

difficult question to answer

ive 60 plus to race next year but only 15 to 20 will be set up for the first races (sprinters)

the others will be sent with the later distance races in mind and may start about race 3

 

[john@formula 1 lofts]

It depends on what races they are flying in as well. a man with 15 may only race fed races were the man with a bigger team my fly nationals, classics every week as well as fed races.

[chichichi]

what you are all missing is the bigest one thing to make a person a winner is loft location.. lots of the multiple fed winners are the shortest flyers with great loft location,,

 

would the multiple winners win with a worst loft location,, If they will they are true winners.. I know some fanciers who have moved a few miles to gain an advantage..

 

If the best loft location only send 4 and the others many miles longer send 90 ,, there could be a huge advantage with the shorter flyer and the 90 would have no chance..

 

Its more complicated than you think..

 

look at the winners of your fed are they the shortest flers.. every fed will have a golden mile..

 

best of luck

 

ant

[Guest strapper]

there is a double answer to this question...if you have 20 great birds and 50 great birds then the 50 great birds will have a better chance of winning

if you have 20 great birds against 50 birds which contain 20 great birds then it equals itself out.

but dont matter how many birds are sent...you only compete against one...and thats the one that will win you!! fact..two cant win you unless clocked same time

[Guest strapper]

what you are all missing is the bigest one thing to make a person a winner is loft location.. lots of the multiple fed winners are the shortest flyers with great loft location,,

 

would the multiple winners win with a worst loft location,, If they will they are true winners.. I know some fanciers who have moved a few miles to gain an advantage..

 

If the best loft location only send 4 and the others many miles longer send 90 ,, there could be a huge advantage with the shorter flyer and the 90 would have no chance..

 

Its more complicated than you think..

 

look at the winners of your fed are they the shortest flers.. every fed will have a golden mile..

 

best of luck

 

ant

 

well said ant m8..a few want to try flying in our club in any wind bar south ..south will give us a chance of the fed results...its hard enough flying against the quality in the 1st place lol

 

 

[mark croker]

what you are all missing is the bigest one thing to make a person a winner is loft location.. lots of the multiple fed winners are the shortest flyers with great loft location,,

 

would the multiple winners win with a worst loft location,, If they will they are true winners.. I know some fanciers who have moved a few miles to gain an advantage..

 

If the best loft location only send 4 and the others many miles longer send 90 ,, there could be a huge advantage with the shorter flyer and the 90 would have no chance..

 

Its more complicated than you think..

 

look at the winners of your fed are they the shortest flers.. every fed will have a golden mile..

 

best of luck

 

ant

 

True,  i moved in to the worst position in the fed.  i did live on the golden mile,  Just to prove a point,, that it can be done and people should stop moaning and feed hopping,  i dont see the point in winning if you dont a have any good competition,  whats the poit, iwould rather only win one and work hard for it than win every race easy

 

 

 

[schouwman71]

which ever loft gets the results

 

sorry, dont agree with this statement,a small loftwith big or average results are the ones i would buy from not from the big lofts,because on a race day they only seem to beat u with the 1 pigeon.

 

les

[Guest strapper]

its not always the shortest flyers...wind will dictate too.

[dwh]

our club are good poolers but you generally find a small team winner generally wins all the pool so its like robbiedoo sez it down to been able to spend more time observing   individual birds.

[robbiedoo.]

its also down to what the fancier prefers sprint - middle or long i race my doos on the natural for the first 4 races until we get to the 200 mile mark then put them on the roundabout my doos dont do them self justice flying natural in the short races but as soon as we get to the 200 mile mark when there on the roundabout its like flying different doos . so its a combination of things . fanceirs preference of distance - loft location and system jmo

[PATTY BHOY]

dougie cunnighams birds

[chichichi]

starpper in our fed if its a south wind the north boys top the fed,, if a north wind the south boys top the fed.. This is for races upto 150 miles.. sometimes the fanciers with the wind advantage will beat the opposite fanciers by 100 ypm.. just because of wind and loft location.. you can not tell me the birds on the wide side were 100 ypm better on the day..

 

very frustrating sometimes to win club and know the wind will beat you in the fed.. the valleys make this problem even worst..

 

Pigeon racing is never on a level playing field..

 

When you do win against all the odds you know you have done well..

 

ant

 

[Guest strapper]

starpper in our fed if its a south wind the north boys top the fed,, if a north wind the south boys top the fed.. This is for races upto 150 miles.. sometimes the fanciers with the wind advantage will beat the opposite fanciers by 100 ypm.. just because of wind and loft location.. you can not tell me the birds on the wide side were 100 ypm better on the day..

 

very frustrating sometimes to win club and know the wind will beat you in the fed.. the valleys make this problem even worst..

 

Pigeon racing is never on a level playing field..

 

When you do win against all the odds you know you have done well..

 

ant

 

 

too true m8..we are north of the golden mile as they call it

and they have to come back over the mountain then.

our club still topped the fed 3 times this year..one was from lilliers old birds.

 

 

[Guest spin cycle]

good points on location but ,to be fair, i think the original question implied 'all things being equal' from which team would the best pigeons come from ie '50' or '15'

[big blue bar]

in our fed we fly the east coast the advantage of overfly is virtually nothing just because where we are on the map to explain first race we are at arniston we get 18 to 20 milage on the shortest flying clubs but when we get further down the road say leicester we only get 7 mile of the same guys when we flew west coast each race milage was 18 to 20 of overfly so loft location dose play a part and like some one else mentioned wind

[Guest mick bowler]

Should this thread not be named "Who is the better fancier"?

 

Numbers make no difference to wether they are better or not, good birds are good birds, bad birds are bad birds.

[clyde]

think loft location plays a big part here ie more in sprint two middle dis .long dis not as much ?  

[leighton1984]

Have seen wind rule the result sheet but they are all ways birds up the top that have had to fly against the wind they are the best bird on the sheet.

they are so many things that can take you to the top or drop you to the bottom but good birds and good fancier will not win ever week but will be in the top half most weeks.

 

They are so many small clubs its not the same you have to look at the fed sheet in one club you can win but you are bottom of fed sheet and he has 15th firsts but they are flyers that can only take 5th in there club but he is in front of the bloke that won his club.

who's got the better birds  when you look at his price list ?

 

 

[Guest tom123]

we got a 20 bird limit in our club so they can send has many has they want  

[WulDon]

a winner is a winner in my opinion despite what size of loft they fly from, after all every pigeon is an individual once in the air and there can be only one winner! its is only the winners that ever get spoke about or recieve any press coverage, does it stop any fancier at the year end buying at sales from lofts that fly big teams??? the answers here  are quite obvious...

 

ye, loft position plays a major role especially in sprint racing, but its nobodies fault on a race day which way the wind blows or if velocities fall which then benefits some fanciers... every dog has his day if we stick at it, generally the fanciers who moan generally couldnt fly a kite anyway and are always looking for excuses!

[mark croker]

I dont think it is a bout who has the best birds,  its more of a percentage game,  if you have 1 winner out of 10 birds (1/10) and some one has 10 winners out  of 100 its still 1/10, alls that means is they have 90 birds to breed you crap young birds from, What i would want is birds from a loft that had the best percentage of winners or consistant results,  At fed or combine level, I went to a local flyers loft and he had 32 cocks,  all but 1 had gained a first place,

 

Mob flyer  =  Yes

 

The one to buy birds from  =  yes

[bibendium]

do you really think the fancier who sends big teams doesnt know his birds !!!

[Guest stevie-b]

its not about the size of the team its about the ability of the birds have topped the fed with only 3 birds away against the big team guys and all 3 were in fed on a very tough day were birds were very scarce

[mark croker]

do you really think the fancier who sends big teams doesnt know his birds , !!!

 

 

No,   you dont know his birds,   he will keep the best for him self,  and sell you birds off the ones that have not done so well,   or quote his result and sell you birds that anyone else would put in the bin,  jmo  

 

Why cull when you can sell is what they think, all they have to do is put a name or a ring number on a ped you cant prove that they came out that nest,  you are best getting latebred young from a top loft,  if you can pick what they are off,  you have more of a chancegetting the good ones,  That is a quote from one of the top flyers in the north west combine,

 

[dwh]

your talking about miles in overfly we talk about yards the most in our club  is 1000 yards in this situation wind and loft location is vital on a south wind there is margin for error if your birds don't break you've lost bcos your flying the overfly 3 times  so yes wind and loft location is importanr