SNFC Ypres race 2009

[Guest bigda]

you wouldn't"t loose anyone,  if the race controller has total control, and  as for frank  who gives a toss,   he cant take it in.  so his line of defense is,  throw  the toys out the pram  

[Big Davie]

 

Think you have your wires crossed. Ypres and Andrezel were marked on same day. Ypres birds were convoyed by National to Ypres, Andrezel birds went to Hartlepool and conveyed from there by UNC.

 

Your comments on Ypres are nothing short of disgraceful. We send to mark the occasion. It is an annual event.

Bigda you need to read this post, the SNFC did not tie up with the UNC to convoy to Ypres, they went on their own, with regard race controlling and lib times, the race is run under the dictates of the SNFC, it is their race and they have the final say on when all of the convoy will be liberated which includes not only Lanarkshires, but other federation birds as well.

Davie

 

 

[Guest bigda]

Bigda you need to read this post, the SNFC did not tie up with the UNC to convoy to Ypres, they went on their own, with regard race controlling and lib times, the race is run under the dictates of the SNFC, it is their race and they have the final say on when all of the convoy will be liberated which includes not only Lanarkshires, but other federation birds as well.

Davie

 

davie you need to read what i posted  i am only interested in what happened to the transporter  why it was not at the  site after a one day hold over the race controller said the birds where to go up at 5-30  but he was over ruled  by another committee member  yes the national took our birds but they also went with the unc  i am not bothered as to that  i am more than concerned about the lanarkshire doos as we paid good money to be taken to the race point  for any  union to over rule the race controller is a sad day  if you know nothing say nothing  as i am here only  to put the lanarkshire members wise  bigda as it is there are committee members on here  don't want to tell you members  nothing  and to add to it a lot of this thread has been cliped to suit others

[walterbmasson]

 

BIGAD ENOUGH IS ENOUGH TELL US WHERE THE TRANSPORTER WAS HIDDEN AT YOUR THE ONLY MAN THAT KNOWS WHERE THE SECRET LIB WAS HELD AND WHO STOPPED THEM GOING AT 5.30 WHICH COULD BE TRUE (puke)(puke)(puke)

[Guest IB]

davie you need to read what i posted  i am only interested in what happened to the transporter  why it was not at the  site after a one day hold over the race controller said the birds where to go up at 5-30  but he was over ruled  by another committee member  yes the national took our birds but they also went with the unc  i am not bothered as to that  i am more than concerned about the lanarkshire doos as we paid good money to be taken to the race point  for any  union to over rule the race controller is a sad day  if you know nothing say nothing  as i am here only  to put the lanarkshire members wise  bigda as it is there are committee members on here  don't want to tell you members  nothing  and to add to it a lot of this thread has been cliped to suit others

 

With respect, your complaint has wavered all over the place since this thread went up, so much so that I for one have lost track of what it is. You say the Ypres birds went with the UNC? UNC went to Andrezel. The Ypres birds went to Ypres, because someone thought that was where they should go, seeing as that was where the race was being flown from.

 

You are correct that the transporter was not at the liberation point until the day of liberation. That was because there was no fresh running water available there, the transporter was held at a point having fresh running water. The reason was this. In 30 degrees heat, the Convoyer thought this was best for the birds. Pre-Race, the Convoyer has absolute say over the birds. Their welfare comes first, not a fanciful 0530 liberation. Team were on go at 0430 watering the birds. That itself means they could not hope to be ready for 0530 start.

[Guest bigda]

well well well  it took bigda to bring this out,    i take it you don't talk to the members,  the issue is this,  this is over 6 months  ago,   and should  the race been a disaster, what would have been said,   the race controller should  never been over ruled,    and the transporter is insufficient to  take bird on the long  hall, and also the lib site should have been  checked out prior to agreeing on it,  bad management on both occasions,   and it is a possibility that not all birds got a drink,   and thats why some birds made it home the next day as they went down for a drink.  tell frank when you see  him i ask of him  :-/ ;D i never said the  lanarkshire went  to andrazel  so   read what i did say   you the national went  with the unc  on the same day   got it :-/

[Delboy]

I would say to you all, do not speculate, just go to the AGM and if you have questions about Ypres, then ask them there. The events surrounding Ypres ( if any ) will be clarified, im sure.

[walterbmasson]

 

 

IB AM I RIGHT IN SAYING THAT THE BIRDS WERE WATERTED AT 4.30AM WHEN NOT AT LIB SITE THEN MOVED TO LIB SITE THEN BEING SHUGGLED ABOUT AND YOU SAY IT WAS FOR THE GOOD OF THE DOOS IS THERE NO ROOM FOR WATER IN TRANSPORTER

[Guest bigda]

BIGAD ENOUGH IS ENOUGH TELL US WHERE THE TRANSPORTER WAS HIDDEN AT YOUR THE ONLY MAN THAT KNOWS WHERE THE SECRET LIB WAS HELD AND WHO STOPPED THEM GOING AT 5.30 WHICH COULD BE TRUE (puke)(puke)(puke)

 

well mate  your are not alone, in getting told nothing,  sorry to spring this on you mate,   but thats up to you how  you feel your being treated,  have now discovered the transporter used  is insufficient to  take  birds on the   long hall with the heat    

[Guest IB]

well well well  it took bigda to bring this out,    i take it you don't talk to the members,  the issue is this,  this is over 6 months  ago,   and should  the race been a disaster, what would have been said,   the race controller should  never been over ruled,    and the transporter is insufficient to  take bird on the long  hall, and also the lib site should have been  checked out prior to agreeing on it,  bad management on both occasions,   and it is a possibility that not all birds got a drink,   and thats why some birds made it home the next day as they went down for a drink.  tell frank when you see  him i ask of him  :-/ ;D i never said the  lanarkshire went  to andrazel  so   read what i did say   you the national went  with the unc  on the same day   got it :-/

 

Don't flatter yourself. You brought nothing out. What you didn't know, you basically made up even alleging at one point that Lanarkshire birds were never at Ypres racepoint? The correct information has been available to all via the Convoyers report. If you were that interested, you could have read it in BHW 6 months ago, and saved us from all this trash you subsequently posted.

[Guest bigda]

 

Don't flatter yourself. You brought nothing out. What you didn't know, you basically made up even alleging at one point that Lanarkshire birds were never at Ypres racepoint? The correct information has been available to all via the Convoyers report. If you were that interested, you could have read it in BHW 6 months ago, and saved us from all this trash you subsequently posted.

 

my post are all here,  you bring out the ones you thing i said  the birds where not at the race site got it  at 5-30  is what  i said  and it took you long enough to admit that  :-/ anyhow   who  pays for the  day trippers expenses  

[Guest IB]

IB AM I RIGHT IN SAYING THAT THE BIRDS WERE WATERTED AT 4.30AM WHEN NOT AT LIB SITE THEN MOVED TO LIB SITE THEN BEING SHUGGLED ABOUT AND YOU SAY IT WAS FOR THE GOOD OF THE DOOS IS THERE NO ROOM FOR WATER IN TRANSPORTER

 

I think the issue was that the Host had a fresh water supply. Reading the report they spent all their time washing & cleaning drinkers, and putting fresh water on the birds. They said they found it a lot easier with water on tap, rather than from tanks. And judging from the race we had, the birds benefited from that extra attention. I don't think they can be faulted on this.

[Guest bigda]

 

I think the issue was that the Host had a fresh water supply. Reading the report they spent all their time washing & cleaning drinkers, and putting fresh water on the birds. They said they found it a lot easier with water on tap, rather than from tanks. And judging from the race we had, the birds benefited from that extra attention. I don't think they can be faulted on this.

so what your saying is the ypres site is of no use then.  makeing the excuse  of  the importance of fresh water never botherd them before.  and also  who pays  for the  day trippers that turned up i am sure the members would all  have liked a wee day out in the 30 degree heat  all expences paid

[budgie]

Lanarkshire Fed had  158 Members sending 740 birds with the National and timed around 50 within the 1st 2hrs with the race closing at around 18.00hrs.If thats a bad race at 455 mls with our Winner doing a vel:-1316 what are we looking for.

[Guest IB]

my post are all here,  you bring out the ones you thing i said  the birds where not at the race site got it  at 5-30  is what  i said  and it took you long enough to admit that  :-/ anyhow   who  pays for the  day trippers expenses  

 

Well you asked for them, and here they are.

 

Post 25

is there  a  possibility  the lanarkshire doos where not at the race point    any answer will do

bigda as it is    

 

Post 29

i take it  i am right in telling ever one,  the  transporter was not at the race site, and the galling thing about it,  was it got a mug  to pay the fuel  for them,  while the back slide  with the up north combine,  that was not in the best interest of the lanarkshire  birds,  as the transporter was not on site,  and the birds where not getting a 100% attendance  as they should have,  and to hear of the race cotroller being over ruled,  is totally shocking,  and hope there is a good excuse,  we the lanarkshire put our trust in the national to look after our birds,   and there are a few good birds lost, and it looks like not getting a drink was one of the reasons. as well as fog

 

Post 46

 

don't suppose it bothers Manny that there doos where not at the  race point, the only saving grace was there was east in the wind, even after  a one day hold over the race controller  told them to go at 5-30  but  they held  to 6-30  why was that,  do you   think     :o was it because they weren't there   :-/ :-/ :-/

 

post 48

 

your no bothered as you said when the birds where not at the race point,  i am not interested in the national i am interested in the lanarkshire doos that where not where they said they where to be  and why did the    race controler get over ruled

 

post 54

 

if the national is going to split to go with the unc  the lanarkshire  should  go on our own  to France  we where under the  influence  that the whole of the national was going to Ypres but soon found out  different   and it was to Mark the  death of the fallen soldiers  and it was to be a annual thing   we fell for that one  all right

 

post 59

 

not all the national went to ypres

 

 

And I’m not the only one who picked up EXACTLY what you were alleging:-

 

post 63

if I am reading this thread right, you are saying that Lanarkshire Fed were not at Ypres with the SNFC as they were supposed to be, but liberated somewhere else .

 

 

 

[Guest bigda]

Lanarkshire Fed had  158 Members sending 740 birds with the National and timed around 50 within the 1st 2hrs with the race closing at around 18.00hrs.If thats a bad race at 455 mls with our Winner doing a vel:-1316 what are we looking for.

 

still means nothing if they all did not get a drink :-/ and also

have heared it said  on here before,  is its  5-0  is the earliest time to water the doos, and that i believe came from one of the race controllers posts as its still dark

[Guest bigda]

 

Well you asked for them, and here they are.

 

Post 25

 

 

Post 29

 

 

Post 46

 

 

post 48

 

 

post 54

 

 

post 59

 

 

 

And I’m not the only one who picked up EXACTLY what you were alleging:-

 

post 63

 

 

 

 

as any one can see i am correct the birds where not at the  site  and they where not on the  site when the race controller  told them to  go    have you got the expence sheet  sorted as yet    let us know when you have

[Guest IB]

 

still means nothing if they all did not get a drink :-/ and also

have heared it said  on here before,  is its  5-0  is the earliest time to water the doos, and that i believe came from one of the race controllers posts as its still dark

 

So are you now saying the birds should have gone at 0530 without water?

[Guest IB]

 

as any one can see i am correct the birds where not at the  site  and they where not on the  site when the race controller  told them to  go    have you got the expence sheet  sorted as yet    let us know when you have

 

No Bigda, you alleged Lanarkshire birds were not at Ypres. Read your own posts.

[Guest bigda]

 

So are you now saying the birds should have gone at 0530 without water?

 

still don't believe your excuse mate  you all ready had a one day hold over to sort that our  and be back to the site all settled as it would not  be 30 deg  at 5-30 in the morn  you are digging a bigger hole for your self,  just answer the expenses    to who all got a freebie

[HOMER49]

looks like your personal attacks might have failed homer49

the snfc members seem to agree with mr rankin just like they did at the fed race programme and the lsc boundary meetings

in fact when was the last time anybody backed any of your proposals?

 

i have blocked bigda so i don't read his posts anymore so most threads remain sensible

 

forward to the snfc agm

 

Salamoo Alaykoom Frank

Since I have been given a full and detailed account of the controllers activities

its not a failure but a resounding success   ;) ;)

Shookran my friend for the info

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

 

[Guest stb-]

 

Salamoo Alaykoom Frank

Since I have been given a full and detailed account of the controllers activities

its not a failure but a resounding success   ;) ;)

Shookran my friend for the info

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

Happy Days then all round

 

 

[budgie]

3497 views and 119 replies later and we are still none the Wiser with the exception of Danny who should apply himself for a Post within the House Of Commons.

[walterbmasson]

IB COULD YOU TELL ME WHAT DIFFERENCE IT WOULD BE FILLING A PLASTIC TANK AT ANY HOSTS THEN USING A SMALL SUBMERSIBLE PUMP COULD NOT BE ANY DIFFERENCE AS THESE PUMPS PUT OUT WATER AT SOME SPEED NOBOADY IS SAYING IT WASENT A GOOD RACE BUT WHAT IF IT TURNED THE OPPOSITE A BAD RACE BIRDS SHOULD BE RELEASED AFTER REST AND WATER ITS WORKED SINCE PIGEON RACING STARTED BIGDA HAS A VERY VALID POINT

[HOMER49]

3497 views and 119 replies later and we are still none the Wiser with the exception of Danny who should apply himself for a Post within the House Of Commons.

 

Hi

Out of small acorns grow great oak trees  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

You got my vote Danny :X :X :X :X :X

Cheers

Homer 49