Selling Pigeons

[Tony C]

If I were to sell some youngsters on this site what information would you like to see up front?

[pjc]

I like to see blood lines, performances by vendor and anybody else who has had birds.

Pictures are also nice to see to show quality of birds.

But this is just my opinion but the more information you can provide reduces the need for loads of questions.

[robbiedoo.]

for me i would like to see your results and distance in which races you compete the birdage would,nt matter so much as you can only beat whats infront of you . also i would like to know the strain of your doos provided you did,nt have to much different strains in your loft if it was the kind of doos i was after i would then think about it .before anyone puts up location i dont think it matters after we reach the 300 mile mark jmo.

[Guest bigda]

yep, would agree with that good photos,  good  presentation, good manners. what the birds have done,  if they have been raced, or not, and  what distance are they likely to race.

[Guest duncan mckay]

WELL I THINK SOME OF YOUS ARE GETTING WELL OUT OF HAND  AND JUST BEING AWKWARD  

[robbiedoo.]

yep, would agree with that good photos,  good  presentation, good manners. what the birds have done,  if they have been raced, or not, and  what distance are they likely to race.

 

bigda a photo dose,nt  tell you anything . there is 2 things you need that the eye cant see the blood and the brain box.

 

[pjc]

WELL I THINK SOME OF YOUS ARE GETTING WELL OUT OF HAND  AND JUST BEING AWKWARD  

 

Why is it being awkward?

Some sellers get upset when genuine questions are asked so why not put up as much information as possible in the first place!

If the birds havn't done anything or bred anything then say, that way nobody is misslead.

[Guest duncan mckay]

POINT TAKEN BUT SOME TAKE IT TO FAR

[pjc]

POINT TAKEN BUT SOME TAKE IT TO FAR

 

there are more that get very deffensive when questioned than take it to far by asking questions.

[Guest cowboy]

if you have nothing to hide let them ask

[DUBLINFLYER]

i think if you sell good birds to bad fancier it can be bad for the seller as all you here from bad fanciers is that so and so sold me dirt and infact he(the buyer) should be having a good auld look in the mirror at himself... i think sellers sould put up (1) real name (2) strain, (3) full pedigree  (4)performances (5) race points ie distances,dates etc (6) club and fed membership ie birds and men competing. i think as said before by pjc the more info the better, but i wouldnt go by listening to bad fanciers results

[Guest Owen]

I do not want my pigeons to go to people who can not do them justice. There would be no point in some people having good birds because, they would not do them justice, and that could lead me to have a bad name through no fault of my own.

I agree with duncan because some of the stuff that has appeared on this Forum recently is wrong. Personal insults and goading is not right. Besides, I think that it is only cowards that try to belittle others from remote places.

I think it is high time that some of the bad mannered individuals who have done this were told to apologise to the members of the Forum or leave.

Come on Moderators, sort this out.

[Guest strapper]

as a seller i would confirm to give any info ..but b4 anyone goes to far..if a seller has to give this info do you all agree that buyers should also give real name and club when bidding...because it cannot all be one way traffic.

too much is said about info for sellers...when you sign up for a gold membership all your details are sent to vallance with your club/fed union details plus your name address everything.

 

where is the buyers details held?..so we as sellers can be safe from dubious buyers?

as i said ..ill give out any info...except my debit card details  ;D

[Guest stb-]

Somtimes sellers comments dont help them , like askin for people to pay a deposit to see pedigree,s or ring numbers :-/ :-/ :-/

 

 

quote[Van Loon and no I'm not posting any ring numbers, if your a serious buyer then pay a deposit and I'll tell you war and peace about the bird and its history.  ]

 

Who would seriously pay a deposit to to find out details of birds for sale, do they think were all stupid :-/

[adam owen]

i agree all real names should be used any way weather u are selling or not

[p charlton]

i am not being funny but other than late breeds or young birds that someone moves on to make cash to go to feeding or racing the birds or someone packing in. i would never buy old birds of anyone if the birds they are moving on if they were any good they would keep them  i dont want birds that are not right for some else to keep

[robbiedoo.]

i am not being funny but other than late breeds or young birds that someone moves on to make cash to go to feeding or racing the birds or someone packing in. i would never buy old birds of anyone if the birds they are moving on if they were any good they would keep them  i dont want birds that are not right for some else to keep

 

same for me

[blaz]

my 1st question has the sire and dam won. if of stock have they bred winners.

[catchthepigeon]

for me i would like to see your results and distance in which races you compete the birdage would,nt matter so much as you can only beat whats infront of you . also i would like to know the strain of your doos provided you did,nt have to much different strains in your loft if it was the kind of doos i was after i would then think about it .before anyone puts up location i dont think it matters after we reach the 300 mile mark jmo.

 

What if i had no results to show you and i just bought the best bloodlines there is would you buy pigeons from me

[Roland]

If I were to sell some youngsters on this site what information would you like to see up front?

 

To be perfectly honest 'Nothing' your word would more than suffice with me Tony. Other information if colour.... and sex / likely sex as to taking after which parent etc.

[Guest Jargre-]

if you have nothing to hide let them ask

As long as a person is genuinely interested in buying the birds they have a right to ask, if they are just trouble making and have no interest they lose that right.  Phil (PJC) hasn't won a lot in his neck of the woods, I know because he's close to me, and I'll tell you for why, he tells people what he flies, the good winners in his area and mine for that matter will tell you nothing more than its a blue cock or ch hen etc, they may make up a bloodline just to keep the book happy but it won't be the true one and why?   Because the last thing you'd want is to tell thier rival fanciers what they are winning with or else they'd all go out buying the strain.

 

That's what winning is about, you would never know Eusain Bolt's training regime or diet that's a fact, his coach (flyer) would tell you to take a running jump.   That's the difference between winners and wannabe winners.    Me, I've not had brilliant year but had 5 top 20 fed positions with blues or ch hen, were they Silver Shadows, were they out of the MC cock?   Not gonna tell you, will just tell you they did and invite anyone to read the cars at end of race to back it up.  

 

catchthepigeon:    Blooslines give you an advantage, not a guarantee to win, if your a good flyer you'll improve your chances, those who say a good flyer will make anything win aren't realists, you can't make a one winged bird win a race.  

[Guest lenwadebob]

as a seller i would confirm to give any info ..but b4 anyone goes to far..if a seller has to give this info do you all agree that buyers should also give real name and club when bidding...because it cannot all be one way traffic.

too much is said about info for sellers...when you sign up for a gold membership all your details are sent to vallance with your club/fed union details plus your name address everything.

 

where is the buyers details held?..so we as sellers can be safe from dubious buyers?

as i said ..ill give out any info...except my debit card details  ;D

 

I did ask for this on the thread regarding suggestion on rules for buyers/sellers. I think that both parties should be better protected.

[Guest Jargre-]

 

I did ask for this on the thread regarding suggestion on rules for buyers/sellers. I think that both parties should be better protected.

Think he has to fill in some forms with government agencies regarding disclosure of private informtion http://www.ico.gov.uk/

 

 

[Guest Owen]

During last year I bought a cock in for stock. He was advertised in the press, together with his achievements. I telephoned the Owner and asked all the usual questions, but I also asked about the competitions that he had competed in. I then telephoned the RPRA and got the telephone numbers of the secretaries of the competitions he had flown in. I then spoke to the secretaries and found out that the bird had indeed flown in the competitions and that the Owner had a very good record of winning. I then went back to the Owner and agreed to buy, providing that the prize cards won by the bird were included. We then stuck a deal. Finally I got the bird and I have to say I was delighted with him. I then telephoned a close friend to come and pass his opinion on the bird. I did not tell him anything before he examined the bird because I did not want him to to be biased. He confirmed what I had thought.

I do not want to be accused of bad manners but I will never buy a bird unless I am able to confirm that he is all he is cracked up to be. I this case, I will not be satisfied untill the bird has proved himself, and that means that he will be paired to known winners from out of winning cocks. If he fails to produce what I want he will go into the ash bin.

In regard to my own selling activities. I will sell some youngsters this year. The Buyers have already been told that they will have multiple winners on the sire side of the family and some will have winners on the dam side as well.The dams will be the daughters of winning cocks. But it is important that they realise that the best expectation of these birds is about 50% unsuitable and or lost, 25% workers and 25% good. And that is the best that I can do. And I doubt if there are many Sellers that can actually do any better. Sellers who sell from birds that have not achieved success in racing are unlikely to do as well as this, in my opinion.    

[Guest lenwadebob]

Think he has to fill in some forms with government agencies regarding disclosure of private informtion http://www.ico.gov.uk/

 

 

So why is this information taken for sellers

 

http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1263329805/s-8/highlight-sellers/#num8

 

and not for buyers