Eyesign

[Guest steve1952]

hi

would it be possible for any Eyesign specialist, to post some Eyesign pictures so us beginners can see which are best eyes to look for, i e Eyesign birds breeders eyes racers etc,

[Guest youngboy]

http://www.albertaclassic.net/eyes/hofmann.php

 

 

http://www.pigeonnetwork.com/articles/Rob_Woollis.html

 

 

there are also videos on youtube aboout eyesign check up rob wolliss eyesign great tips i am a follower of eyesign and im very well in to it!!

[Dodgy Trapper]

The trouble with understanding eyesign is, they show you 2 hours of video of numbers of top class pigeons and their eyes.

But dont show you bad ones, this would help to see the difference.

is there something in the way they try to teach you, reason being there is a large percentage of fanciers that dont understand it.(they cant all be thick like me).

[Guest joshdonlan]

Australian Violets is a good DVD on eyesign, well i though so anyway. I didnt have a clue about it before watching the DVD.

[owen101]

must agree with josh

australian violets is a great dvd

[Guest steve1952]

bookmarked link thanks mate

will get dvd thanks mate

[Guest Owen]

I do not know why you don't buy yourself a book on genetic inheritance. You would quickly find out the all this talk about eyesign is a load of rubbish. If you want to select eye type, colour, size or anything else as a basis to select and breed for, you can. Obviously the eyes of any animal, bird or even human being are important to their well being and will always be a good way to gauge the health of an individual. But if you believe that there are people who can select pigeons for their racing ability by gazing into their eyes you are kidding yourself.

If you are concerned with the business of selection for racing ability why not do what any geneticist would tell you. Test your stock and select those that are best at doing what you are asking of it. And for goodness sake don,t go down these blind avenues of breeding from untried stock or those with the prettiest eyes. There are no short cuts to finding the best racers. You can not do it by reading pedigrees, studying eyes, wings or anything else. It is about progeny testing and selection all the way.

[dwh]

I do not know why you don't buy yourself a book on genetic inheritance. You would quickly find out the all this talk about eyesign is a load of rubbish. If you want to select eye type, colour, size or anything else as a basis to select and breed for, you can. Obviously the eyes of any animal, bird or even human being are important to their well being and will always be a good way to gauge the health of an individual. But if you believe that there are people who can select pigeons for their racing ability by gazing into their eyes you are kidding yourself.

If you are concerned with the business of selection for racing ability why not do what any geneticist would tell you. Test your stock and select those that are best at doing what you are asking of it. And for goodness sake don,t go down these blind avenues of breeding from untried stock or those with the prettiest eyes. There are no short cuts to finding the best racers. You can not do it by reading pedigrees, studying eyes, wings or anything else. It is about progeny testing and selection all the way.

 

spot on owen how can the shape coralation and colour of the eye tell anything about the abilities of a racing pigeon a fantail can have agood racing eye whats that tell you JMO

[Roland]

Tipplers have the best.

[dwh]

Tipplers have the best.

 

bet they make distance birds

[bewted]

try jack barkels thread on here on eyesign as go into the very basics,,,,,dont know to post link on here,but,worth a read at least,,,,,,,gave me foos for thought at the time !

[just ask me]

try jack barkels thread on here on eyesign as go into the very basics,,,,,dont know to post link on here,but,worth a read at least,,,,,,,gave me foos for thought at the time !

 

 

 

jack thread http://forum.pigeonbasics.com/m-1203060470/s-274

[ally mac]

Would be interesting to see picures of winning birds and breeders of winners with bad eyes.

 

Al.

[Guest steve1952]

when i was at doncaster show a lot before buying looked into eyes, just trying to find out mainly what they was trying to see, thank you for info about book

[dwh]

Would be interesting to see picures of winning birds and breeders of winners with bad eyes.

 

Al.

 

ON THE OTHER HAND WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW MANY BAD PIGEONS HAVE GOOD EYES

[ally mac]

 

ON THE OTHER HAND WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE HOW MANY BAD PIGEONS HAVE GOOD EYES

 

Aye it would, though is it easier to prove a bad eyed bird is good through results rather than a good eyed bird with poor results which could be due to the management etc???????????    

[greenlands]

http://www.tourdesmaritimes.com/Eyesign/Eyesign101/Breeder-eye.htm

 

http://www.tourdesmaritimes.com/Eyesign/Eyesign101/myron_kulik_intro.htm

 

http://www.tmakowecki.com/SCEYES.shtml

[dwh]

 

Aye it would, though is it easier to prove a bad eyed bird is good through results rather than a good eyed bird with poor results which could be due to the management etc???????????    

 

SO REVERT BAK TO APREVIOUS REPLY  (sorry left caps on) tumblers havegood eyes but they ain't gonna win you any races

[Guest Owen]

When you next go to your loft all you need to do is put aside the birds that have won at least three races. Do not look at their eyes. Then get one of these experts to grade the others for you. Then you can compare his selections with the best birds you have. You may learn something.

The best action I have taken to improve my pigeons was to use the Bull system to breed and to stop breeding from birds that had not won anything. I still breed rubbish but the overal standards are getting better all the time. And, I imagine, that as time goes on and the genes become more and more concentrated in those birds that I breed, the standards will get even better. Just have a look at the techniques used by Bussaert and the Janssen Bros. If it is high concentrations of winning genes you are looking for.

[Guest stb-]

When you next go to your loft all you need to do is put aside the birds that have won at least three races. Do not look at their eyes. Then get one of these experts to grade the others for you. Then you can compare his selections with the best birds you have. You may learn something.

The best action I have taken to improve my pigeons was to use the Bull system to breed and to stop breeding from birds that had not won anything. I still breed rubbish but the overal standards are getting better all the time. And, I imagine, that as time goes on and the genes become more and more concentrated in those birds that I breed, the standards will get even better. Just have a look at the techniques used by Bussaert and the Janssen Bros. If it is high concentrations of winning genes you are looking for.

 

Owen good point if they dont have the winning genes they would be aswell not having

 

eyes anyway for racing purposes.     I  HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PEOPLE RUNNING AROUND WITH EYE SIGHN GLASSES LOOKING AT RACE HORSES,  and the top ones have the highest

amount of winning jeans around

[dwh]

 

Owen good point if they dont have the winning genes they would be aswell not having

 

eyes anyway for racing purposes.     I  HAVE NOT SEEN MANY PEOPLE RUNNING AROUND WITH EYE SIGHN GLASSES LOOKING AT RACE HORSES,  and the top ones have the highest

amount of winning jeans around

 

stb least we agree on something

[Roland]

Well stb, so called duffs,  / Culls or not very good racers often are great breeders.

Stamvater was speciffically bred to be a Stock Cock. Never raced and Stamvater means 'Producer' and to be honest he must rate alongside of the very best breeder.

Sorry to distract from the eyesign part, but wanted to say best to best is the way to go, for very quickly you have worst to worst. 6 pairs and how many winners. Likewise winners aren't always good breeders. Indeed most aren't. You just shorten the odds.

[Guest Jargre-]

I do not know why you don't buy yourself a book on genetic inheritance. You would quickly find out the all this talk about eyesign is a load of rubbish. If you want to select eye type, colour, size or anything else as a basis to select and breed for, you can. Obviously the eyes of any animal, bird or even human being are important to their well being and will always be a good way to gauge the health of an individual. But if you believe that there are people who can select pigeons for their racing ability by gazing into their eyes you are kidding yourself.

If you are concerned with the business of selection for racing ability why not do what any geneticist would tell you. Test your stock and select those that are best at doing what you are asking of it. And for goodness sake don,t go down these blind avenues of breeding from untried stock or those with the prettiest eyes. There are no short cuts to finding the best racers. You can not do it by reading pedigrees, studying eyes, wings or anything else. It is about progeny testing and selection all the way.

Well put.

 

[Guest stb-]

 

stb least we agree on something

 

Twice in the one day that must be a record   ;D ;D :)

[Skull Lofts]

Hi

 

As we are on eyesighn i want to ask a question.

 

Do any one beleive that a bird is worthles when the spinkster muscle is torn or broken?

 

Skull