yb losses

[Ronnie]

To much imbreeding for speed and not enough focus on homing ability.Would be interesting to see how the distance men do for young bird losse's my bet would be a lot better than the sprint racer.

[Guest chrisss]

not too sure if its connected, but i have had young bird strays down,that you have can shave on their keel,yet when i have got in contact with the owner,i have in most cases been told that they have only been missing a few days tops,which means that they have been flying around in a panic,[and flown off any meat]or they have been very very lightly,with the "modern" way of feeding low protein diets,they have nothing spare to live off if it goes wrong

[Novice]

young birds being lost due to bad controlling and not paying attention to where the other feds are lying on race day.

 

This is true and part of the theory about congestion.

I think that it is far to late to look round you on a Saturday and realise there are several potential clashing feds in the area of liberation.

A greater degree of coordination is required.

For example when race programs are decided at AGMs they should be put on a spread sheet by an elected person.

Copies of this schedule should then be sent back to federations highlighting potential problems.

The federations can then decide if they wish to alter the program or take the risk of the original proposal.

Such a document would also allow federations to highlight potential transporter sharing arrangements.

 

Possibly a bit complex for those in power.  

 

However as has already been said there is more than one cause of horrendous losses.

 

[Whats it called Cumbernauld]

Interesting thread.

 

Agree with most things,however all we talk about is why.We need to give more time and thought into the way forward,what we can do,how we can change things in order to reverse this trend.

 

My arguement has long since been we race at the wrong time, when things are against the birds.

 

Question in point being we have our young bird National in around two weeks,why are we doing this when the birds are naturally maulting and need looked after not sent 2550 miles +. This at the time of our newly aquired, moonsoon season in August and September.

 

Many of the questions possed above should have been addressed by the fancy and those in authority years ago.However there is a weaknes in our leadership,we have done it this way for years so we will continue.

 

What we need is an invitaion club of around 50 members who will turn the sport on its head,in a quest to save our sport.It can be done we just need to find enough people with thye will.

 

 

Good luck this weekend to all

 

 

Rab Smith (Lets do it)

[Guest]

dont think 5 mins between libs helps any

[cemetary]

Why dont they give around 30 mins before the next lib, or is this too long, let the birds clear first, 5 mins, certainley not a good idea.

[Roland]

well i agree with most reasons for the huge losses , new methods birds been better feathered due to darkness or the light systems , and the search for the fastest pigeons high velocitys only happen when the birds have got the wind up there *expletive removed* , when such pigeons have a no wind or head wind conditions to contend with and suffer bad losses its these super fast wind machines that suffer the most due to the nature of breeding for pure high speed , if the focus was the same as it were 50 year ago and wanting to breed a family of birds to compete at all levels up to the longest races 500+ miles we would have both fast and reliable pigeons that fly in any conditions. But we all know with a modern lifestyle it's the sprinters that are getting the huge sale prices and win over a short distance , as we fly more shorter races than long ones and the price gets higher the further miles you go this also discourages distance races where money is short .What should be happening is a one bird price across the board from shortest race to longest race then the glory would suit the working mans pocket.

 

Yep, I think a lot of truth and sense there.Plus they have had their basic instincs etc. bred out of them via Line and incest breeding.

Too many haven't a clue, and most too ofen, indeed they believe that if they can keep a line looking like the generations before they will have world beaters.

 

[Mr Yorkie]

Personally I think alot of it is down to the fanciers and to some degree the feed.  As 'cloudview' said it's the same fanciers year on year that are losing the birds.  Having been down at the club tonight the same fancier that said the previous two weeks is saying his pigeons have loose droppings.  If they're not right then don't send them as (a) the pigeons suffer ( they have little chance of winning and © it's not fair on everyone else.  I've rejected pigeons at basketing this season with broken legs, tails missing, half a wing and even one with only one eye (She can see out the other said the fancier).  In days gone by this never happened as money was often tight so if you didn't think you had a chance of winning then you didn't waster your money sending.  Fanciers kept fewer pigeons and 'knew' their birds unlike today when they are just 'pigeons' and not individuals.  I also feel that as fanciers we have too much choice in the option of what to feed our birds.  In days gone by you got what yu could from the local farm and it hadn't been sprayed or genetically modified.  The likes of Versea Laga are putting too many pellets in mixes which may be thought to be doing the birds good but how many pigeons will actually eat them?!  Fanciers try lots of different corns thinking they are doing their pigeons good  but you don't see the likes of the athletes in the Olympic games trying new fangled diets all the time.  A staple and steady diet is what the birds need not constant change.  It's the same with vitamins in water; these weren't used in the past so why use them now?  It's the same in humans and I'm probably as guilty as anyone.  My great garndad lived til his Mid 90s eating a cooked breakfast and fatty bacon and things every day yet now we'll try the new yoghurt drink or smoothie as they contact pro-biotics and things which will make us 'go better' when in reality its a load of twaddle!

[Guest cloudview]

could,nt agree more , i forgot to add to my original reply that my young birds  are racing on moulting mix , ther,s everything in it for what they need

[Mr Yorkie]

And I bet it's a couple of quid cheaper a bag than the 'young bird racing mix'!

[blackswan]

feeding some outlets are taking as much as thirteen or fourteen pounds per 20 kilo bag,sometimes more.

[mushroom]

Early bred youngsters, hard trained and sexually mature,wing ventilation that can beat effortlessly all day long. Then they are sent to races of 40 miles. I would imagine a race of 100 miles would be easy for these young athletes. At least 100 miles would take a little bit of fire out of them.

[Turk]

do you not think that everyone now is brainwashed into thinking everything say the belgiums or dutch do we have to do also ,thinking regards fancy foods ,everyone i knew thirty years ago fed beans peas bit of wheat barley maze ,now like mr yorkie says its all versel larger this or some other food company selling van der someones feeding methods everyone swears by .how many times are we told you can buy the mans pigeons but not his methods ,now food companies sell his feeding methods sell van der winners corn he swears by.do you not think the food been fed does not give the pigeon enough energy to make its way back after going off line or over shooting the loft ,they just cannot make back home now the day after ,many years ago if a stray entered the loft  been miles of course 9-10 still had good bodies on them ,now there all like razor blades and in some cases never recover ,

since the introduction of the proffesional fanciers promoting feed this seed feed lighter feeds to your pigeons ,everyone seems to have bought into the idea ,yes they show great results themselfs ,but what they dont tell you is they got loft mangers ,keep more birds normally then the ordinary fancier send more birds then the ordinary fancier got the best drop in there federation .go to belgium holland germany all the top fanciers through time have been chemists ,friends with top chemists,most keep hundreds of birds sending hundreds of birds and become wealthier through us all been brainwashed into buying there pigeons which normally turn out to be utter rubbish for the many fanciers who buy them ,you could name the janssens buschaerts maybe van reets that have stood the test of time but theres been hundreds of new found fangled breeds from so called super star pigeons from abroad here today gone tomorrow simply because the birds are not good enough to fly in our island .

i also believe many fanciers now dont basket train them to eat and drink ,many fanciers now say if the pigeons want water they find it ,they dont find it on the transporters or is this due to darkness hoodies battling all the time stopping many from drinking ,resulting in many becoming dehydrated ,too many sick birds been sent ,many birds been sent simply with no training ,then theres human error releasing birds without checking the line of flight ,resulting in too much clashing ,not enough time between liberations ,there seems no end to thousands of birds been lost everyweek and sadly the unions do nothing about it ,resulting in many fanciers becoming fed up of been wiped out ,decide to leave the sport .

[blackswan]

yes mr turk i agree with every thing you are saying  blackswan.

[Guest chrisss]

do you not think that everyone now is brainwashed into thinking everything say the belgiums or dutch do we have to do also ,thinking regards fancy foods ,everyone i knew thirty years ago fed beans peas bit of wheat barley maze ,now like mr yorkie says its all versel larger this or some other food company selling van der someones feeding methods everyone swears by .how many times are we told you can buy the mans pigeons but not his methods ,now food companies sell his feeding methods sell van der winners corn he swears by.do you not think the food been fed does not give the pigeon enough energy to make its way back after going off line or over shooting the loft ,they just cannot make back home now the day after ,many years ago if a stray entered the loft  been miles of course 9-10 still had good bodies on them ,now there all like razor blades and in some cases never recover ,

since the introduction of the proffesional fanciers promoting feed this seed feed lighter feeds to your pigeons ,everyone seems to have bought into the idea ,yes they show great results themselfs ,but what they dont tell you is they got loft mangers ,keep more birds normally then the ordinary fancier send more birds then the ordinary fancier got the best drop in there federation .go to belgium holland germany all the top fanciers through time have been chemists ,friends with top chemists,most keep hundreds of birds sending hundreds of birds and become wealthier through us all been brainwashed into buying there pigeons which normally turn out to be utter rubbish for the many fanciers who buy them ,you could name the janssens buschaerts maybe van reets that have stood the test of time but theres been hundreds of new found fangled breeds from so called super star pigeons from abroad here today gone tomorrow simply because the birds are not good enough to fly in our island .

i also believe many fanciers now dont basket train them to eat and drink ,many fanciers now say if the pigeons want water they find it ,they dont find it on the transporters or is this due to darkness hoodies battling all the time stopping many from drinking ,resulting in many becoming dehydrated ,too many sick birds been sent ,many birds been sent simply with no training ,then theres human error releasing birds without checking the line of flight ,resulting in too much clashing ,not enough time between liberations ,there seems no end to thousands of birds been lost everyweek and sadly the unions do nothing about it ,resulting in many fanciers becoming fed up of been wiped out ,decide to leave the sport .

 

this in my view is one of the best posts i have ever read,sums a lot, if not all up in a nutshell,the only problem is ,i like a lot of guys ,will still go out get the dvd,and adapt bits of it to suit me,with the feeding etc

[Roland]

Yes a great lot of sense and truth and realism there...

Further I say that is why some realistic managerment by a so - called 'Back Garden' flyer will still prevail.... He only breeds what he wants. Doesn't dabble too much with the incest, line breeds of course, and has a few friends like him to introduce new blood with 'Swaps' ... like the money boys do on a different level lol.

[Guest shadow]

a lot of paper pigeons and bad management pumping them full of rubbish out of bottles , not enough weak young birds eliminated before weaning

[blackswan]

all this leads to the losses this week being 50 per cent once again.

[bewted]

do you not think that everyone now is brainwashed into thinking everything say the belgiums or dutch do we have to do also ,thinking regards fancy foods ,everyone i knew thirty years ago fed beans peas bit of wheat barley maze ,now like mr yorkie says its all versel larger this or some other food company selling van der someones feeding methods everyone swears by .how many times are we told you can buy the mans pigeons but not his methods ,now food companies sell his feeding methods sell van der winners corn he swears by.do you not think the food been fed does not give the pigeon enough energy to make its way back after going off line or over shooting the loft ,they just cannot make back home now the day after ,many years ago if a stray entered the loft  been miles of course 9-10 still had good bodies on them ,now there all like razor blades and in some cases never recover ,

since the introduction of the proffesional fanciers promoting feed this seed feed lighter feeds to your pigeons ,everyone seems to have bought into the idea ,yes they show great results themselfs ,but what they dont tell you is they got loft mangers ,keep more birds normally then the ordinary fancier send more birds then the ordinary fancier got the best drop in there federation .go to belgium holland germany all the top fanciers through time have been chemists ,friends with top chemists,most keep hundreds of birds sending hundreds of birds and become wealthier through us all been brainwashed into buying there pigeons which normally turn out to be utter rubbish for the many fanciers who buy them ,you could name the janssens buschaerts maybe van reets that have stood the test of time but theres been hundreds of new found fangled breeds from so called super star pigeons from abroad here today gone tomorrow simply because the birds are not good enough to fly in our island .

i also believe many fanciers now dont basket train them to eat and drink ,many fanciers now say if the pigeons want water they find it ,they dont find it on the transporters or is this due to darkness hoodies battling all the time stopping many from drinking ,resulting in many becoming dehydrated ,too many sick birds been sent ,many birds been sent simply with no training ,then theres human error releasing birds without checking the line of flight ,resulting in too much clashing ,not enough time between liberations ,there seems no end to thousands of birds been lost everyweek and sadly the unions do nothing about it ,resulting in many fanciers becoming fed up of been wiped out ,decide to leave the sport .

 

now this is one true post on here,,,maybe more fanciers should take note of  it,but,i doubt if they will ,,,most got more money than sense and buy anything with feathers and two legs and a foriegn rung bird for extortionate price,,,,,,,,in uk good pigeons if not more better than foriegn imports and all you get is a few poxy quid....what a laugh !!!

[Williedoo]

all this leads to the losses this week being 50 per cent once again.

Question  Blackswan - Do you actually race pigeons,if so how many did you send and how many did you loose today.

Looking through the threds today most Scottish Feds had a good race,so where do you get your %ages from. coocoo land.

 

 

 

[Ian McKay]

Willie stop biting he's a *expletive removed* hiding behind a non deplume

[cemetary]

williedoo, take it easy mate, hes only looking for a wind up, who the hell is he, i dont think he even races pigeons.

 

get a life blackswan and stop getting on pigeon mens tits with your rubbish.

[Fair Play]

Mobile phone masts are going up all over the place - people power in some cases have had them removed or suspended. If they are perceived to be harmfull to humans what kind of effect do they have on pigeons. Some 30 years ago the young bird losses were nothing to the losses today but I didn't have a mobile phone neither did millions of others.

[Guest shay]

last sunday when the scottich central fed liberted at tow law u could not see ur hand in front of u for mist and it was raning heavey the birds broke in to 3 batches they where flying round and round for hours

[Bluedoo]

Mobile phone masts are going up all over the place - people power in some cases have had them removed or suspended. If they are perceived to be harmfull to humans what kind of effect do they have on pigeons. Some 30 years ago the young bird losses were nothing to the losses today but I didn't have a mobile phone neither did millions of others.

 

That might help explain things if it were every week, but you can have great returns one week and very poor the next from same racepoint and similar weather.