Y/B Training disasters

[pjc]

Paulo, I agree, some just chase averages at all cost hence the reason they breed so many.

Young bird season for me is all about education for the rest of there racing career!

 

Phil

[Guest Cock Of The North]

I have never tryed darkness The birds have had 10 tosses up too 40mls and only dropped 4 out of 50 After the 10ml stage the birds are put up in groups of 3 They have had 2 tosses with the club too learn them to break from the batch Everything seems to be going great 1st race on Sat 75mls

[Bluedoo]

Paulo, I agree, some just chase averages at all cost hence the reason they breed so many.

Young bird season for me is all about education for the rest of there racing career!

 

Phil

 

Well said Phil/Paulo. In the last 2 weks I have had 10 yb's in. 2 had full crops, looked like the start of YB sickness. One was still carrying the scars of a previous excursion. One was still squeaking (hadn't thrown a flight). On Friday someone tossed their birds at Stonehaven. The hills were covered in low cloud, and it was drizzling.

Disasters are usually unexpected.

[Guest IB]

Changed my methods last year, trained YBs in evening, around 7pm with the 1st around 10 miles, didn't go further than 20 miles. Noticed that they did not take long to get home, and were able to come through weather.

 

They go out each morning at 6am, time away ranging is starting to tail-off so starting training tonight, after work.

[Guest spin cycle]

Paulo, I agree, some just chase averages at all cost hence the reason they breed so many.

Young bird season for me is all about education for the rest of there racing career!

 

Phil

 

spot on

[Blue Tooner]

A lot of replies are pointing the finger at the darkness system but the fanciers in our club that have been hit with the heavy losses all fly natural, there are only 3 lofts in our club that use the darkness system (ourselves are 1 of them) and losses here have been minimal. The weather conditions here the last 2 days have been ideal for training, broken cloud/sunshine, light headwinds, temp. around 14-16 degrees.

A valid point by Gareth about letting them out for exercise before you toss them, we try to practise this ourselves when at all possible.

One of the reasons could be that with the poor weather up here at the weekend, everyone had been training yesterday and our fed covers a large area, so many birds heading in different directions, so there could have been some clashing.

[North road racer]

Has anybody ever split young birds up into hens and cocks and raced this way? Before the first race of around 70-80 miles how many training tosses and at what distances would you recommend? Thanks.

[Guest Paulo]

Has anybody ever split young birds up into hens and cocks and raced this way? Before the first race of around 70-80 miles how many training tosses and at what distances would you recommend? Thanks.

 

I train mine up to 25 miles and then spilt into cocks and hens then give them as many chucks as I can afford until the first race then they get chucked from 25 miles 2 - 3 times a week if they are flying well from round the cree.

 

Important thing is they must get fed as much as they can eat. If they are working hard they need the bait without rationing or flying to the corn tin

[S.D.B LOFTS]

my younsters are split hens and cocks all darkness trained up to 18 miles coming in most weathers

just wondering if right time to put them on the training wagon . :-/ :-/

[celtic]

Gareth,

I know all birds are different,  but what would you class as too much yb training ?

cheers

[billy wilson]

i would just like to add about young bird training,how many fanciers take there birds training when it is overcast ours never go unless there is broken cloud there has to be sunrays getting through somewhere before our birds go training,i think there are a lot of fanciers start to panic when it gets near to the first race and they have to train at all costs.i would sooner miss the first race than train in poor conditions,i know birds will come through rain no bother as long as they get a good start and there not far from home but they cant come long distances through bad weather there is always one or two will get through but i always say better be safe as sorry,had first toss this morning only from 6 miles just to get them used coming out of the baskets.the trouble in scotland there is that much open land they can get miles out of the road,in my area in county durham all the birds come north if they get past they are only a few miles past our lofts unless they hit birds training going south which doesnt happen very often.this is only my opinion and not in anyway meant to affend anyone.

 

                                                                          billy

[leighton1984]

my birds coming very well only been 5 times and they are up to 40miles

been puting them up in small lots things are looking good at the mo  

 

 

[Guest]

ive had 3 more tosses and they seem to be getting the idea now beat me home twice and i am training old birds with them for arras but they just seem to break off and head home and the y/bds dont have the sence to follow dont think its a darkie problem but i could be wrong fair comment about the weather but it was NOT bad up here when i tossed them so it wasnt that

[Novice]

i dont know about homers for a start of

but just a thought

why not send an old bird or two from the same loft just for the first few tosses

this maybe a none runner if so sorry

i should have kept my mouth shut

(and not a chance of that happening its by making comments like this you learn from others so new members dont be afraid to chip in ) micko

 

 

Many fanciers already do this. Indeed I know one very successful fancier always sends his best old birds with the youngsters to teach them good habits.

I am not sure if it helps returns a great deal.

 

 

[mac1]

took mine today 5 mile for the first chuck missing 33

[S.D.B LOFTS]

Took young hens training tonight been same place before main batch got back 9.50 five missing .

[Guest shadow]

took mine today 5 mile for the first chuck missing 33

 

why five mile they range further than that and the atmospherics are still disturbed we had thunder and rain on and off all day here

 

 

[LISTER]

how many did you take mac1

[carlsberg]

how many did you take mac1

 

how,s it going andy you any more back , i now have 14 from 36 plus i will have about 20 from my dads 2nd round that he is not going to need mainly busschaerts but some out of bergerac 583 mls on the day

 

[LISTER]

nah ended up with 24 back from 50 bit of a blow for 1st year always next year lol

[HOMER49]

ive had 3 more tosses and they seem to be getting the idea now beat me home twice and i am training old birds with them for arras but they just seem to break off and head home and the y/bds dont have the sence to follow dont think its a darkie problem but i could be wrong fair comment about the weather but it was NOT bad up here when i tossed them so it wasnt that

 

Hi Frank

Persevere only your best and fittest o/bs

Cheers

Homer 49

 

 

[mac1]

have most back now think im missing around ten

[GRAHAM MITCHELL]

took 30y.bs to New Cumnock a distance of about 15 miles by car. Got 5 last night and another 6 today whilst at work. First y.b took 2hours 50 mins and all arrived alone .No wonder fanciers are calling it a day as it really pisses you off that you think you have bred a decent team of y.bs and lo and behold you start training and BANG you get a stinker of a toss.

[pjc]

Doesn't anybody look at the atmospherics before training or racing?

If you look at whats been happening and changes in weather etc you would leave the birds at home.

 

To many blaming the birds/ mothods etc and not looking at the main cause of losses.

 

Phil

[Guest Hjaltland]

I know one very successful fancier always sends his best old birds with the youngsters to teach them good habits.

I am not sure if it helps returns a great deal.

 

I make a habit of this, your good old birds know the shortcuts. I also send along last years late breds (if any left!)