When is a youngbird not a Youngbird?

[leighton1984]

at basket night all the man has to do is look at the ring and if its the same as the one on the sheet thats his job done  not to look up its back side. and put a rubber on its leg.

they can ask if you want it over the taped up ring 2  

[just ask me]

i think it has been proved with most of us expect pigeonscout who's 100% sure its against the rules what i tried to do was move the thread onto the next step where there seems to be a whole lot of difference of peoples opinions what for the life of me i can understand is why what could happen in some parts of country it would seem that this can happen and others it cant why cant we race under the one set of rules and we all adhere to them not these stupid rules that clubs make up too suit them selves rpra needs to give proper leadership and im sure fanicers would follow weather they agree or disagree if we could see pigeon racing going to in certain direction but all the fancier gets is crap and answers like this

even if they had of said this is something new to us and there will be to vote by our members at the next agm no they passed it on the line to most of us that don't have any legal experice it would seem there view on it is f   k it leave them deal with it

i know pigeonscout and a few others have agreed that its against the rules maybe so but there are fanicers around doing this my thing about this is not the people that are doing this as it just reminds me of when people started racing widow hood and tore the crap out of natural flyers in most cases and people shouted for clubs for natural fanicers and widowhood fanicers

 

im not agreeing or disagreeing with double ring birds to be honest i couldn't care less (just my opioion)

what the fanicers need id leadership on issues like this a straight answer is that too much to ask for whether that be a yes u can or no u cant or we are not sure we will have to put too the members for a vote or what ever producers have to be taken so fanicers know where they stand

i ask is this too much to ask for a straight answer :-/

 

sorry about the rant

[jacksafc]

Pigeonscout your whole argument here is based on the practise being deceitful or somehow cheating and dishonourable, so who is being deceived or cheated, the club, fed and combine members know its a young bird, theyre not being deceived, its only got the old ring on because procedure states it must be entered in the register, once thats entered why would anyone want to look at the other ring anyway, theres nothing on that ring thats going to influence the race.

[Guest]

i think it has been proved with most of us expect pigeonscout who's 100% sure its against the rules what i tried to do was move the thread onto the next step where there seems to be a whole lot of difference of peoples opinions what for the life of me i can understand is why what could happen in some parts of country it would seem that this can happen and others it cant why cant we race under the one set of rules and we all adhere to them not these stupid rules that clubs make up too suit them selves rpra needs to give proper leadership and im sure fanicers would follow weather they agree or disagree if we could see pigeon racing going to in certain direction but all the fancier gets is crap and answers like this

even if they had of said this is something new to us and there will be to vote by our members at the next agm no they passed it on the line to most of us that don't have any legal experice it would seem there view on it is f   k it leave them deal with it

i know pigeonscout and a few others have agreed that its against the rules maybe so but there are fanicers around doing this my thing about this is not the people that are doing this as it just reminds me of when people started racing widow hood and tore the crap out of natural flyers in most cases and people shouted for clubs for natural fanicers and widowhood fanicers

 

im not agreeing or disagreeing with double ring birds to be honest i couldn't care less (just my opioion)

what the fanicers need id leadership on issues like this a straight answer is that too much to ask for whether that be a yes u can or no u cant or we are not sure we will have to put too the members for a vote or what ever producers have to be taken so fanicers know where they stand

i ask is this too much to ask for a straight answer :-/

 

sorry about the rant

 

Unfortunately I didn't get the straight answer to the straight question asked, which, I have to say didn't really surprise me in the slightest. As TOP DOG' passed the buck' down the line, I have gone down the line for an answer. I always thought the buck stopped at the top, but it appears the RPRA work in reverse. If pigeon fanciers feel they have no leadership, it makes me cringe to think of the mess this Sport/Hobby is going to be in a few years down the road.

 

[naedoos]

 

Could you just remind me the number of the rule which states you cant take the tape off,just in case.LOL.

 

already asked this question earlier pigeonman, e couldnae answer it earlier either :-/

 

said somethin like e couldnae remember it but there was a rule ;D ;D ;D

 

what I would say is try n stop me removin the tape

[jacksafc]

Why would you want to take the tape off.

[Guest]

oomigoolie bird is coming to mind .............. going round in ever decreasing circles until you disappear up your own backside  ;D ;D

[jacksafc]

At basketing youre only there to read its metal ring, rubber it and put it in the basket, whats under the tape is of no concern to you, why would you want to look.

[naedoos]

Why would you want to take the tape off.

 

why would you want to put it on???

[naedoos]

At basketing youre only there to read its metal ring, rubber it and put it in the basket, whats under the tape is of no concern to you, why would you want to look.

 

read your rules mate, TO VERIFY THE TWO RINGS ARE REGISTERED TO THE SAME LOFT

 

as basket convener I'm also allowed to check each and every bird to see that it looks well enough to go into the basket, so I am not just there to read its metal ring etc

[hotrod]

 

read your rules mate, TO VERIFY THE TWO RINGS ARE REGISTERED TO THE SAME LOFT

think about it two rings two different years one taped up one owned by one guy the other owned by another guy , another loophole, i bird owned by 2 different guys maybe flying to 2 different lofts?

 

 

[jacksafc]

With a split personality lol.

If its clocked its metal ring has to tally with the one in the register, there would only be one written down.

[naedoos]

think about it two rings two different years one taped up one owned by one guy the other owned by another guy , another loophole, i bird owned by 2 different guys maybe flying to 2 different lofts?

 

 

correct again hotrod, these guys live in cloud cuckoo land wi their "you cannae touch ma rings that are taped up crap" if I didn't and allowed anythin to go in the baskets not only would I be neglecting my duties as basket convener but now another thought " would I now be liable to be taken to court by the other members for failing to do my duties correctly" where does it end" as I stated earlier if they feel they have to sink so low as this then they'll always just be kiddin themselves on they're real flyers

[hotrod]

With a split personality lol.

If its clocked its metal ring has to tally with the one in the register, there would only be one written down.

yes thats true, then a couple o weeks later once broke to new loft location 20 miles shorter, paired up, races with other ring visible  in this new guys name fly a few races , then the first guy gets it back sends it in his name and were does it home to the loft 20 mile shorter

 

 

[jacksafc]

You couldnt get taken to court for not enforcing a rule that doesnt exist.

 

You need to think clearly about what exactly youre trying to prevent, what is it about carrying the additional ring that makes it so horrifying to you, and what possible benefit would be gained by having the 2 rings registered to different people, theres only one member putting it in the basket and registering the metal ring.

[naedoos]

You couldnt get taken to court for not enforcing a rule that doesnt exist.

 

You need to think clearly about what exactly youre trying to prevent, what is it about carrying the additional ring that makes it so horrifying to you, and what possible benefit would be gained by having the 2 rings registered to different people, theres only one member putting it in the basket and registering the metal ring.

 

You need to think clearly about what exactly your trying to allow, read reply 439 on this post apart from not adhering to rpra rule 96  :-/

[jacksafc]

He'd have to have his clock in the 20 mile shorter loft, not saying much for the rest of his birds, but he doesnt need 2 rings on to do that, you can settle a bird to a friends loft with one ring on and do that if youre so inclined.

That has nothing whatever to do with carrying 2 rings.

[hotrod]

jack you are only one of maybe three that has said this is ok that would be about i guess 5% so maybe 95% say this is wrong so can you not see that this IS wrong

[Guest strapper]

as i said in an earlier post ..rule should read in my opinion...only one ring to include year of birth date.

any other ring other than the birth ring should not read an alternative birth date....members should make sure all rings are correct, any bird showing two birth dates should not be considered for racing.

any bird suspected of having more than one ,year of  birth dated ring should be inspected to agree the bird hasnt broken any rules and therefore considered able to race.

 

 

 

[jacksafc]

Cant speak for other areas but in the north east some are trying to get a bit of distance into the young birds before sending them to the channel with the NFC thats all, you cant do it using our yb programme.

[naedoos]

Cant speak for other areas but in the north east some are trying to get a bit of distance into the young birds before sending them to the channel with the NFC thats all, you cant do it using our yb programme.

 

great stuff, then send them as trainers! don't think anyone has said anything against that

 

besides you're not decieving anyone that way, including yourself

[hotrod]

Cant speak for other areas but in the north east some are trying to get a bit of distance into the young birds before sending them to the channel with the NFC thats all, you cant do it using our yb programme.

go to AGM and ask for some longer races or get another organisation that goes further to take your birds(trainers)

why twist/bend the rules ?

 

[Guest]

You couldnt get taken to court for not enforcing a rule that doesnt exist.

 

You need to think clearly about what exactly youre trying to prevent, what is it about carrying the additional ring that makes it so horrifying to you, and what possible benefit would be gained by having the 2 rings registered to different people, theres only one member putting it in the basket and registering the metal ring.

 

You keep quoting "A RULE THAT DOESN't EXIST"..... Show me a rule that DOES EXIST that specifically says: only one ring that is worn by a bird must be read, or that a bird cannot be thoroughly checked prior to going into the basket.

You PRO taping men have yet to give a reasonable answer as to why it is necessary to hide the details of one of the two rings on a birds leg, BECAUSE THERE IS NO ANSWER, other than to deceive.

[joe61]

hotrod thats cheating mate plain as the nose on your face take a scot to think of doin that

 

oh happy days

[jacksafc]

I take your point that quite a few on here think its wrong but no one seems to be able to give any reason as to why they think that, for example what advantage does the double rung young bird give over those rung normally, the main objectors seem to be scots and the main reason given is that its deceitful and its cheating, although no members complain about being deceived or cheated.

And those that do it have to work bloody hard to push these yb's and  get them trained up, after they've trained the old birds, and before they train the main yb team.

And as it stands it doesnt contravene any rules, and its unlikely any rules will be changed to prevent it.