joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 jimmy i do agree with you some what but as ther is no deffinate rule in this its not cheating its bending if you had an address ring on one leg taped up that would be ok so what is under the tape is nobodys business except the owner of the pigeon bob pickering you say about regisration it would be registerd on the old bird noms then when ybs came round old ring covered and would go on yb noms good luck lenwadebob defeat ha ha i ask you oh happy days
pigeonscout Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 jimmy i do agree with you some what but as ther is no deffinate rule in this its not cheating its bending if you had an address ring on one leg taped up that would be ok so what is under the tape is nobodys business except the owner of the pigeon bob pickering you say about regisration it would be registerd on the old bird noms then when ybs came round old ring covered and would go on yb noms good luck lenwadebob defeat ha ha i ask you oh happy days What is under that tape is everyone business if it is there to hide the fact you are cheating. I have pointed out how you are breaking the rules by doing this so what can you not understand. Deceive = Dishonourable conduct = Breaking RPRA rule 70(a)
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 where is the rule that states you cannot put 2 rings on a pigeons leg of different years and not race it i would like to see an out and out stating this in the rule book not a knock on rule as we have here oh happy days ps nearly 4000 hits guys
pigeonscout Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 where is the rule that states you cannot put 2 rings on a pigeons leg of different years and not race it i would like to see an out and out stating this in the rule book not a knock on rule as we have here oh happy days ps nearly 4000 hits guys Joe why is there no rule saying you cannot pull the heads of everyone else's birds at race marking? If you had to word every single thing you where not allowed to do the rule book would be as thick as some fanciers.
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 pigeonscout there is no rule stating what you say its common sense you cannot touch someone elses property with out the owners consent as you cant take the tape off a pigeon ring with out the owners consent so back to square one oh happy days
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 looks like only you and little old me on here mate oh happy days
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 over 4000 hits when was the last time 4000 hit happend can anyone tell us oh happy days ps you can do this trust me as robert maxwell once said
peterpau Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Still haven't seen why you can't race a young bird as an old bird, have not seen any rule against it. I've done it, and have not seen any changes to the rules to make it illegal. As for the NFC being the only true national in england....... I race with BBC and BICC cos these are the biggest toughest races I can enter. When it comes to birdage I think the mighty UNC wins hands down. ( I'm a little out of the radius though )
Guest Paulo Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Still haven't seen why you can't race a young bird as an old bird, have not seen any rule against it. I've done it, and have not seen any changes to the rules to make it illegal. As for the NFC being the only true national in england....... I race with BBC and BICC cos these are the biggest toughest races I can enter. When it comes to birdage I think the mighty UNC wins hands down. ( I'm a little out of the radius though ) The UNC hammers the National Flying Club. And when he have an NEHU national UNC,WDA and DC together thats a proper national and I don't care what any pillock says
pigeonscout Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 pigeonscout there is no rule stating what you say its common sense you cannot touch someone elses property with out the owners consent as you cant take the tape off a pigeon ring with out the owners consent so back to square one oh happy days Saying that you cannot remove the tape to see that I am cheating is stupid. Once you hand that bird to the race marker you have just given him your consent to check that birds details to make sure it is ok for that race. If there is dirt any other on the ring that stops him from reading it he can remove it. If you do not let him do his job then he can refuse it
Tony C Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 How do you read this rule. Could it be argued that ring numbers means that each individual ring (or rings if more than one) a pigeon carries must be entered on the race sheet. RPRA RULE 188. NO MEMBER SHALL BE ALLOWED TO MARK OR RACE RING HIS/HER OWN BIRDS OR TAKE ANY ACTIVE PART IN THE PROCEDURE. Individuals may use race entry sheets, which may be produced by computer software programs and printed on sheets of plain paper or onto sheets which are pre-printed, provided by either an Organisation or by an individual fancier. The race entry form must have the following requirements: Printed in ink, have space for full ring numbers, inside and outside rubber race numbers/letters, name(s) of fancier(s), name of Club, date of race, race point, sex of bird, signature of fancier(s). Details entered on the race entry sheet may be printed using computer software programs or hand written by the fancier. The counterfoil of the rubber race ring(s) placed on the pigeon should be passed to the sheet marking official who should write the outside number(s) alongside the pigeon ring number. In cases where birds are double race rubbered the rubbers MUST have different serial numbers. All rubber race counterfoils must be carefully sealed in envelopes immediately after marking and, like the clock sheets or envelopes and entry forms, kept under seal in a secure place at headquarters or by the appointed officials in the case of Specialist Clubs. Members of the Association enter their birds in races organised by bodies affiliated to the Association at their own risk against loss or damage. The purchase and use of duplicate numbered race rubbers showing the same serial numbers is prohibited.
pigeonscout Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Joe are you trying to tell young fanciers and others on this site that it is ok for them to cheat so long as no one can prove it by removing the tape. Would it not be better to tell them that breaking the rules by deceiving others is wrong.
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 tony yo put 2 rings on young bird 08 09 then tape up 09 race as old bird you nom it with your old birds tape up 08 in young bird season 09 nom and race with young birds you cant put ring number if you cant see it paulo we were talking about what was in a name unc does not have national in its name so before you start shouting about pilloks read the poxy thread pigeonscout people can do it or not do it up to them i think oh happy days
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 i see we got a member called DOUBLERUNG your taking a chance at the minete mate with a name like that ha ha oh happy days
Williedoo Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 I would think that full ring numbers are required on a race sheet,and if a pigeon is double rung with one ring taped up,and there is only one ring number on the race sheet,an official woud be able to tell the owner to remove the tape and enter the other ring number on the race sheet or the pigeon would not go in the basket.
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 im realy p***ed off now willie read the whole thread mate please oh happy days
Williedoo Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 after all,a bit of tape over the ring number does not make an official ring disappear,its still on the pigeons leg.
Williedoo Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 Thought I had,but this thread is so long I might have missed something,which post should I read. :)
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 post 330 willie sorry if abrupt mate oh happy days
Williedoo Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 im realy p***ed off now willie read the whole thread mate please oh happy days Any,your loving it,giving you something to do. ;D ;D ;D
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 willie im not like vincent1 i do me own house work mate oh happy days
Guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 willie im not like vincent1 i do me own house work mate oh happy days Yeah I bet, Do you sweep it under the carpet Joe ;D ;D ;D ;D
joe61 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 no bob i do a proper job mate im just off to the shops now oh happy days
just ask me Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 imagine this countless hits too the thread a great number of replies some people think this is a form of cheating so we can count this as a very serious thread think we all agree on that much (i hope ) and we cant get an answer to the question from the rpra even if they had of said this is something we will or are looking into and will come up at the next agm or something to this effect no noting like this basically what they have done is passed the crap down the line to us members that will have too see this problem probally this year what would happen if a member turns up at marking station and club refuses to mark his birds lets say it a major race big money involved and he brings the club for not marking his birds either through the the law of the land i.e courts or through the rpra could he then sue the marking station for losses of moneys that occurred during the race or will he go after the rpra i would imagine if he goes after the rpra they will say its the marking station that is liable as we have seen here already they do want to pass the buck this could happen couldn't it :-/
Guest Posted February 11, 2009 Report Posted February 11, 2009 imagine this countless hits too the thread a great number of replies some people think this is a form of cheating so we can count this as a very serious thread think we all agree on that much (i hope ) and we cant get an answer to the question from the rpra even if they had of said this is something we will or are looking into and will come up at the next agm or something to this effect no noting like this basically what they have done is passed the crap down the line to us members that will have too see this problem probally this year what would happen if a member turns up at marking station and club refuses to mark his birds lets say it a major race big money involved and he brings the club for not marking his birds either through the the law of the land i.e courts or through the rpra could he then sue the marking station for losses of moneys that occurred during the race or will he go after the rpra i would imagine if he goes after the rpra they will say its the marking station that is liable as we have seen here already they do want to pass the buck this could happen couldn't it :-/ Yes it could and that is why I am going to try and get rule 96 amended through my region. See reply 373 on this topic
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