Guest Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 ;)i would like to know those that have posted , that train 10 miles plus , what are your losses like ? as much detail as you want | thank you in advance ............. andy 8)
Guest REDFOXKRAUTHS Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 will anyone train in fog as i have done last year and good birds came through
Taylorsloft Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 i start training my young birds from the north as it takes me to long to get throu aberdeen .then take them south on sundays no more than 15 miles stonehaven
nogin Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 HI ALL FIRST 4 TOSSES FROM 17 M THEN 5 AT 40 M AFTER THAT MY BIRDS WILL COME THOUGH ANYTHING AND WIN.
pigeonpete Posted March 26, 2007 Report Posted March 26, 2007 START AT FIVE MILES AND FINISH AT FIVE MILES , THATS AS FAR AS THEY GO cause your a tite *expletive removed* :P
Guest Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 I don't usually lose YB's training (20, 30, 40miles) any losses are normally earlier on and 'lost off the top', and during racing. I'm trying to keep my numbers down this year, because I want to go back to what I did before, 20 miles round-the-compass as a small group, then single-up out to 40miles and into the first race. Won't train again after racing begins. I think a small group or a single-up pigeon has less chance of being attacked on the way home than a big group of pigeons.
peterpau Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 Andy don't lose any. First toss at ten miles. 60 miles any direction thats another story. When racing though lose very few again. At seasons end would expect well over half, all done the progam to 200 miles.
blackjack Posted March 27, 2007 Report Posted March 27, 2007 I do the same as Darren i have just paired the stock birds today the racers about 10th April but my youngsters get trained south for the 1st 3 tosses then any direction i happen to be going N,S,E or W in batches of 3 to 5 .Then after about 8 or 10 tosses i train with Dave Posey they go to Geoff Byles in Hayes who puts them up in small mixed batches to make them think . We them give them a odd race and let them develop.
Guest jason Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 3 mile for us, no choice really as we live in a valley and they need plenty of short chucks, so to find our valley. Jason
Lightning McQueen Posted March 28, 2007 Report Posted March 28, 2007 Last 3 seasons as follows: 2004 started with 75 ended with 67 2005 started with 65 ended with 49 2006 started with 60 ended with 54 Hats off to you Darren , that is tremendous pigeon keeping...hope we have the same results this year in our new location :-/
Guest casbri Posted March 29, 2007 Report Posted March 29, 2007 i always start at 20 miles always have done and always will do
carl Posted March 29, 2007 Report Posted March 29, 2007 myne will be 1 mile It would be an insult to the birds to toss them 1 mile,i start mine around 5 mile,then 10,20,30,50
Guest jason Posted March 30, 2007 Report Posted March 30, 2007 It would be an insult to the birds to toss them 1 mile,i start mine around 5 mile,then 10,20,30,50 your certainly right about insulting them, took mine one mile for first chuck last year it took them 3 hours. after that took them 3 mile and all home before me. Jason
THE FIFER Posted March 30, 2007 Report Posted March 30, 2007 i think young birds should be treated with respect and remember they are training,
Guest Vic Posted March 30, 2007 Report Posted March 30, 2007 your certainly right about insulting them, took mine one mile for first chuck last year it took them 3 hours. after that took them 3 mile and all home before me. Jason Surely if you take your ybs 1 mile, they must be singled up. Up together and you are asking for trouble. I tried the single up method for years, and tried to put them into other training batches passing over. You'd be amazed how successful this method is. Vic.
Guest Vic Posted March 30, 2007 Report Posted March 30, 2007 May I add to my prior posting please? When ybs are "scorching" the skies out from late April onwards, for hours on end. Yes! it is an insult (and possibly a damaging factor} to liberate them together at a mile. The first toss should be 10 mile at least up together. BUT if you wish to learn them how to break, which is essential, especially in my position.Try my method, single up, into passing training batches, one at a time. for 7 days. You will never lose a yb with this method, providing they have scoured and scorched the area previously. I hope my advice is falling on the right ears, because unlike some, this is no Bullshit. Vic.
Roland Posted March 30, 2007 Report Posted March 30, 2007 Have often when they have finished ranging let them up with the Barnsley Fed liberation, likewise some of the older ones in my club that told me! Yes some are back in no time and some just before nightfall. But losses are few to say the least. Was breaking in some y/b's last season that I'd bought in. 30 in all when they got hit 4 days after. Now that was a different kettle of fish. Fetch 3. Transfered 2 and one home on night and 5 worked back weeks later. Now they haven't been tossed even yet and in this weather unlikely to for a onth or so. First week in May if no East in wind and warmth on their back. Otherwise they and I can wait.
jimmy white Posted March 31, 2007 Report Posted March 31, 2007 May I add to my prior posting please? When ybs are "scorching" the skies out from late April onwards, for hours on end. Yes! it is an insult (and possibly a damaging factor} to liberate them together at a mile. The first toss should be 10 mile at least up together. BUT if you wish to learn them how to break, which is essential, especially in my position.Try my method, single up, into passing training batches, one at a time. for 7 days. You will never lose a yb with this method, providing they have scoured and scorched the area previously. I hope my advice is falling on the right ears, because unlike some, this is no Bullshit. Vic. i would agree with this post,, i have done this myself ,,,only when i feel they have enough sense in their head to cope,, its a hard way ,, you may loose a few to begin with ,,,,but youll cut your losses later
Guest Vic Posted March 31, 2007 Report Posted March 31, 2007 "Single up" up, "one at a time," Sorry about that guys! :B Vic.
Guest CS Posted March 31, 2007 Report Posted March 31, 2007 will anyone train in fog as i have done last year and good birds came through No we won't train birds in fog...
Roland Posted March 31, 2007 Report Posted March 31, 2007 Sto molley coddling birds and treat them as humans, pretending we know more than them. We don't, if fact there are two treal certainties, WE Don't know oat, let alone how they home. And if content they will home, regardless where and when within reason. Training is purely for sharpening their fitness. If ranging is finished and you want to send them 20 miles most days, any direction they will do you proud. Mostly only send mine 3/4 chucks in f our directions and then straight into a 100 mile race when I bother to train or even fly a y/b.
Guest Posted March 31, 2007 Report Posted March 31, 2007 i would agree with this post,, i have done this myself ,,,only when i feel they have enough sense in their head to cope,, its a hard way ,, you may loose a few to begin with ,,,,but youll cut your losses later agree whole heartedly with this ,but,its all very well if you know how to select what you want ,ie ,type .or the type you wont ,what about those who dont select they are going to have a loft full of pigeons they dont know what to select from ,single toss by all means but you still have to make selections
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