behind the scenes at louella

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i bought birds from there this year and guess what happened YES my birds got pmv bought 6 and ended up nearly killing more than 20 birds from my team of 65 BUT ON OTHER HAND EVERY BODY IS SLATING THIS STUD I BOUGHT 6 BIRD LAST YEAR AND HAD NO PROBLEMS EVEN WON 2 RACES OUT OF THE 6 I BOUGHT  any way my birds have recovered from this disease and out of the birds i had left i raced jumping them into 127 miles first race out of 14 got 9  this week past was there second race 151 miles and scored a first club  first fed with a bird i bred from a pair of birds from LOUELLA

you should never of got pmv did louella replace you loss i would say no you got excuses like other men this year 87 and counting.

 

 

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GOT THE BIRDS I HAD TO KILL REPLACED NO PROBS

[Guest]

GOT THE BIRDS I HAD TO KILL REPLACED NO PROBS

I bet you did'ent report it to DEFRA that you had PMV  

 

 

[edwards]

GOT THE BIRDS I HAD TO KILL REPLACED NO PROBS

iv a man with a huge vet bill postmortem bill and over 100 youngones dead and still no reply from them by god a shock for them soon and there is plenty of lads the same.

 

 

[BLACK W F]

but what i can not get my head round you would be able to tell straight away surely any looking sick dodgy  you would not put them in with your own  no matter where you get them from they should be kept seperate  for a time peroid untill sure they are ok and surely all of them would be kept away from your owne untill sure they ok OMO

[pjc]

I heard DEFRA were investigating but no response yet.

Bearing in mind they prob have strong connections with DEFRA through the horses will anything be done if they do find it, i doughbt it!

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I JUST GOT RESTRICTION LIFTED AND YES I DID REPORT IT HAD TO JUMP Y BIRDS TO 4 RACE WHICH WAS 127 MILES

[Guest]

but what i can not get my head round you would be able to tell straight away surely any looking sick dodgy  you would not put them in with your own  no matter where you get them from they should be kept seperate  for a time peroid untill sure they are ok

Alan mine were on there own in a loft .but when DEFRA came round they shut me down,i had a few old stock birds in another loft never sent the birds or rings back .

 

 

[Guest]

I JUST GOT RESTRICTION LIFTED AND YES I DID REPORT IT HAD TO JUMP Y BIRDS TO 4 RACE WHICH WAS 127 MILES

  :-/

 

 

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but what i can not get my head round you would be able to tell straight away surely any looking sick dodgy  you would not put them in with your own  no matter where you get them from they should be kept seperate  for a time peroid untill sure they are ok and surely all of them would be kept away from your owne untill sure they ok OMO

 

when the birds arrived they all looked healthy never had problems before i  bought birds from them last year and never in a million years think that my birds would pick up pmv i was a bit nieve took sick birds to vet he did nt know what it was so ikilled some which he sent to lab next thing i know defra were down taking swabs and confirmed after a week and that was in the middle of a good season with the old birds

[Guest strapper]

this has been happening far too long for louella to be done for it...there cant be any strong evidence otherwise they would have shut him down for a period of time untill tests have been concluded.

there would have been an imediate shut down of his business...if any evidence had been provided.

but im not saying there isnt any cases from there.

[BLACK W F]

i am sorry to hear that just your luck  but no matter where i get or buy from they do not go into loft for 5- 7dys   and are treated vac  as well  and if i give any away i always tell them the same keep away for 5-7 dys  just a precaution  better sae than sorry

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got 3 birds replaced just on friday they look health and they are in a separate section ill keep my eyes on them for a week or so

[BLACK W F]

i would multi vit and jab for param  and parratifford   better safe  take no chances

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going to jag them for pmv even though they say there done what is  this parratifford ?

[Guest Owen]

With all the bad publicity Louella are getting, it is wonder that they can keep going. I don't understand why they have'nt been investigated by the Authorities. Some of the people who have had the sick birds must see Vets and it would be the Vet's duty to report the fact that there is a notifiable disease in the area. Is this another case that the British do not really mean what we say again? Do you know I am sick of people breaking the law and nothing is done about it. I have the feeling sometimes that anarchy reigns supreme in modern Britain.

If Louella are sending out pigeons, with serious diseases that can affect humans, they should be jumped on from a great hieght. I bet if it was one of us small guys they would have us. Mind you it is not just Louella that are being blamed for sending out sick birds. There is talk that a big European Stud have been letting themselves down. Certainly when I last visited, there were mice running about everywhere. In full view and in broad daylight. And there was no excuse for that, because the vermin could have been killed off easily.

[BLACK W F]

has it not been blown out of all preportion  as some y/bs always go back we all have that

i find it hard to believe they would not be shut down if that was the case and i dont think any one would send out sick birds  as it would just come back to haught them  and that would affect future sales  

[pjc]

I suspect there is a combination of things.

Firstly why would defra close them down if all oldbirds/stock are vaccinated and youngbirds onsite are healty?

The possible cause could be stress, the birds are weaned, jabbed, shoved in boxes, sent of for delivery which in many cases is now taking far longer than it has done in previous years then being put into a strange loft etc.

A stressed bird will be more prone to going downhill and this may then allow a desease to get a hold.

Always, Always keep any new birds seperate!

[Guest]

has it not been blown out of all preportion  as some y/bs always go back we all have that

i find it hard to believe they would not be shut down if that was the case and i dont think any one would send out sick birds  as it would just come back to haught them  and that would affect future sales  

How many have had birds that have been ill, but not said anything :-/ three fanciers in portsmouth bought birds 75% of them had to be bined and they only got a part refund, this has\been going on since i came back in the sport in 1998 so i would say its a long term thing.Who do they use to courier there birds

 

 

[pjc]

i don't know who is couriering for them these days, they maybe using multiple couriers.

[swilcox]

I cant comment on any other studs or breeders but we have found that you must treat you breeders hard, put them in open avaires during the winter and dont over medicate them. If they posses a small level of Bacteria, Canker, etc then the ybs will develop a immunity from a young age as they will over come these low level infections.

 

If you treat to the point where every breeder is completely clean, then the ybs will have no immunity as they also will be clean and the first time they are faced with infection they are over run by it. Thats why continual feeding with medicated pellets is so dangerous.

 

Stuart

[pjc]

are pellets still medicated?

[Guest Owen]

Nice one Stuart. I would like to add that the moult needs to be watched as well. Slow moulting stock birds are also worthy of suspicion. Sometimes a slow moult can be an indication that the bird concerned is not as hardy as it should be. This especially true of hens. And to me the ideal Stock Bird should be a bird that has distiguished itself racing. Try as I might, I am still unable to select pigeons by handling them or looking in there eyes or up there nostrills. The only ones that mean anything to me are the tough, always energetic, always looking well, performance pigeons. And I honestly believe, that if more youngsters were bred form this type of bird, there would be far less losses and a lot less illnesses.

[chickadee]

Immune systems are the same no matter what, whether it be pampered kids, pedigree dogs or racing pigeons. Kids that are never allowed out to play and get dirty never get the chance to develop their immune systems, farmers kids are among the healthiest. Pedigree dogs that are kept in kennels and only taken to shows are the same, mongrels are among the healthiest so why do you expect pigeons to be any different.

Like us when we go on holiday, locals can drink the local water and eat all and local food but it can upset visitors big time because their systems can't cope with the difference in bacteria etc. If you go to countries that have things like polio, typhoid, malaria etc you get injections before you go to build up your resistance

Stress is a major killer, if you break a bone you can die from the stress of the injury but not the actual break. If your immune system is week then stress can bring on underlying problems that are already there, vaccinations are taken or injected using a part of the infection so your immune systems are allowed to fight it and build up antibodies to fight it and increase your immune system. Surely when you vaccinate pigeons for PMV you are introducing this into their bodies so they have resistance to fight it off, then mothers should pass this on to their young, but we then inject some more into them, maybe this is the reason the birds are becoming weaker and PMV is on the increase :-/

 

[pigeonpete]

Immune systems are the same no matter what, whether it be pampered kids, pedigree dogs or racing pigeons. Kids that are never allowed out to play and get dirty never get the chance to develop their immune systems, farmers kids are among the healthiest. Pedigree dogs that are kept in kennels and only taken to shows are the same, mongrels are among the healthiest so why do you expect pigeons to be any different.

Like us when we go on holiday, locals can drink the local water and eat all and local food but it can upset visitors big time because their systems can't cope with the difference in bacteria etc. If you go to countries that have things like polio, typhoid, malaria etc you get injections before you go to build up your resistance

Stress is a major killer, if you break a bone you can die from the stress of the injury but not the actual break. If your immune system is week then stress can bring on underlying problems that are already there, vaccinations are taken or injected using a part of the infection so your immune systems are allowed to fight it and build up antibodies to fight it and increase your immune system. Surely when you vaccinate pigeons for PMV you are introducing this into their bodies so they have resistance to fight it off, then mothers should pass this on to their young, but we then inject some more into them, maybe this is the reason the birds are becoming weaker and PMV is on the increase :-/

 

think thats the most sensible thing you have ever said carol   :) Totally true