500 mile birds

[gorsy bank lofts]

can any of the distance flayers on her describe what they look for in a potential 500 mile pigeon. (ie body length wing size eye ect) thanks

 

jim biss once said to me only way for sure is to send it,

i know if you put them in a basket for a few days those that loose weight and condition

stand very little chance in at the distance.

 

atb

lyndon

[dwh]

never a truer word spoken

[Albear]

 

jim biss once said to me only way for sure is to send it,

i know if you put them in a basket for a few days those that loose weight and condition

stand very little chance in at the distance.

 

atb

lyndon

 

Do you think you can do a true test of this in the winter, please?

[eastcoaster]

I would like to here what Karen Newcombe thinks  as at the sale at Edinburgh the lady bought a lot of the moleveld birds ,

they were cracking birds and she out bid me several times !! but for most of them they were shorter than you would have expected for the Ardens ,also Gareth Rankin and his old man handled them all so were they their 500ml type of bird ,

Colin

[gorsy bank lofts]

 

Do you think you can do a true test of this in the winter, please?

 

never tried it in winter

the nearer you can do it to the conditions for when there racing the better.

not too close to the race thou.

wouldnt put them under any stress if moulting.

you could try it, mark down results of your findings then test

you findings in the race basket next year.?????

 

atb

lyndon

[Albear]

 

never tried it in winter

the nearer you can do it to the conditions for when there racing the better.

not too close to the race thou.

wouldnt put them under any stress if moulting.

you could try it, mark down results of your findings then test

you findings in the race basket next year.?????

 

atb

lyndon

 

Hi Lyndon the only concern I would have about doing it near the race is that would this weaken the condition when you did it the second time on race basketing, which is more stressful again. So I'm not sure but a damn good method and maybe worth a try I dunno?.

I remember being told a story by Graham Moss of Stratford about a local fancier who used to win out of turn on one day races but never won a race where birds were in the baskest for two nights or more. He sadly died but his wife decided to keep the birds on. However she could not drive and the only way to get her birds for basketing was to basket on thursday night a club mate picked them up early friday morning and fed them in the basket at his place before taking them on for race basketing, this happened for all races i.e. basketed the day before race basketing so on two day basketing her's were in the basket for 3 days etc. This lady started winning the longest races every year!!??

[OLDYELLOW]

 

Hi Lyndon the only concern I would have about doing it near the race is that would this weaken the condition when you did it the second time on race basketing, which is more stressful again. So I'm not sure but a damn good method and maybe worth a try I dunno?.

I remember being told a story by Graham Moss of Stratford about a local fancier who used to win out of turn on one day races but never won a race where birds were in the baskest for two nights or more. He sadly died but his wife decided to keep the birds on. However she could not drive and the only way to get her birds for basketing was to basket on thursday night a club mate picked them up early friday morning and fed them in the basket at his place before taking them on for race basketing, this happened for all races i.e. basketed the day before race basketing so on two day basketing her's were in the basket for 3 days etc. This lady started winning the longest races every year!!??

 

heard a similar story via a friend bloke used to put birds in basket in house for 3 day at a time obviously after moult , then hed check them if they couldnt maintain there condition for 3 days he got rid of them if couldnt  :-/

[terry mccarthy]

500 MILE  pigeons come in all shapes and sizes i think 90 percent of birds can fly 500 miles down to the feed

[OLDYELLOW]

500 MILE  pigeons come in all shapes and sizes i think 90 percent of birds can fly 500 miles down to the feed

 

if 90% of pigeons could fly 500 miles why dont everyone on site have a loft full of distance birds ?????  most cant fly 100 miles never mind 500 , the facts are this winners come in all shapes and sizes , even if a bird has the best physical attributes if its not got the brains or heart it will fail its getting a combination of these things together to get a distance bird such as a 500 miler

[Roland]

I take it Alan doesn't fancy our Paula Tadcliffe then   ;D ;D ;D

Or perhaps don't rate her as a marathon runner. When did you see a beautiful marathon winner, with silky hair, perfect body confrimation, perfect legs?????

:-/ :-/ Certainly has silky hair, has obviously the legs, and her body must be right I guess....   ;D ;D

[Roland]

500 MILE  pigeons come in all shapes and sizes i think 90 percent of birds can fly 500 miles down to the feed

 

Of course, any bird on the proper system shoiuld home in decent time, Those lost means you have lost nowt, and saved on feed.

One of the great Scots said he was aa make the number up man. Then set the trail ablaze. Asked what was dirrent and he'd reply.

Hotel gave them a brush and asked them to work a little. Sent them up the road a few in the winter. Those reported I made a present of.... Only thoise that wanted to be in the loft was there to breed with.

Gosh any body would think that the birds in the wild don't moult.

Further they seem to forget that nature provides them with a lot more energy etc. in these times. Like the lady in labour, ouzes and gushes with energy.... Ok many waste that on 'Work' etc.   ;D ;D

[Albear]

I take it Alan doesn't fancy our Paula Tadcliffe then   ;D ;D ;D

Or perhaps don't rate her as a marathon runner. When did you see a beautiful marathon winner, with silky hair, perfect body confrimation, perfect legs?????

:-/ :-/ Certainly has silky hair, has obviously the legs, and her body must be right I guess....   ;D ;D

 

Wouldn't be my choice in the show pen Roland, not a looker in my book, although she may appeal to those who like flashers ;D

[Delboy]

 

Wouldn't be my choice in the show pen Roland, not a looker in my book, although she may appeal to those who like flashers ;D

 

;D ;D

[terry mccarthy]

i dont beleve 500miles is distance anymore as i said most birds should make that if prepared properly think ive dropped 2 birds at thurso in 3  years 516 miles and yet the 2 were paired together and had done it 8 times between them yet got all my first timers i think they found each other on route and moved off  ??)

[peterpau]

Funny aint it never given it a second thought. Them birds at Barcelona and Palamos will be in the basket a week without a hold over. Food for thought there me thinks. I've given up looking for distance pigeons. I was advised by our top prize winner to cull my Palamos cock. The thought at the time seemed crazy and I was right.

[Roland]

That's one of the beauties of being short sighted I guess Albear lol. ;D

Mind many on the pop have gone to bed with some cracking looking birds ... Golly how they change over night   ;D ;D

[Roland]

i dont beleve 500miles is distance anymore as i said most birds should make that if prepared properly think ive dropped 2 birds at thurso in 3  years 516 miles and yet the 2 were paired together and had done it 8 times between them yet got all my first timers i think they found each other on route and pissed off  ??)

 

Well Terry, and I, are in total agreement regards the 500 milers.

Also similar to his 'Met up and went away....' I also stronly believe that that is the second reason they don't return.... No don't get lost, just don't want the system or your loft any more. I believe the most important part to instill in any bird, right off is a love of their loft, a 'Contentment' - a wanting to be there. Without contentment, fitness / condition and certainly motivation can't be a part of the make up and mind set.

This of course has to be in a certain ratio to the physical side to obtain Healthy and motivated birds.

1st being the biggest downer, and unfortunately istoo rife, in my oppinion, 'Incest Breeding'!

Too much and too many not having the foggiest idea of what and why, let alone how. Hence the adding to the feral population.

[Albear]

That's one of the beauties of being short sighted I guess Albear lol. ;D

Mind many on the pop have gone to bed with some cracking looking birds ... Golly how they change over night   ;D ;D

 

Mind you they were a bit dissapointed too thought they'd gone to bed with a marathon man and found they were with a 60yd sprint specialist ;D

[Albear]

 

Well Terry, and I, are in total agreement regards the 500 milers.

Also similar to his 'Met up and went away....' I also stronly believe that that is the second reason they don't return.... No don't get lost, just don't want the system or your loft any more. I believe the most important part to instill in any bird, right off is a love of their loft, a 'Contentment' - a wanting to be there. Without contentment, fitness / condition and certainly motivation can't be a part of the make up and mind set.

This of course has to be in a certain ratio to the physical side to obtain Healthy and motivated birds.

1st being the biggest downer, and unfortunately istoo rife, in my oppinion, 'Incest Breeding'!

Too much and too many not having the foggiest idea of what and why, let alone how. Hence the adding to the feral population.

 

I think this is another interesting point, I like others have quoted some performances, and Terry and Roland believe most birds can do 500. Now I don't agree and I'll tell you why put simply waht does the average small team man breed a year 30 the majority of ordinary back garden fanciers wil breed between 30/50 for racing. Tell me out of those 30/50 how many get past 300 mile, and how many manage to get to 500. How many birds do you send to sprint races 10, 20? How many make it to 500 2/3, statistically it shows that not many birdss fly 500.

[Guest stb-]

 

I think this is another interesting point, I like others have quoted some performances, and Terry and Roland believe most birds can do 500. Now I don't agree and I'll tell you why put simply waht does the average small team man breed a year 30 the majority of ordinary back garden fanciers wil breed between 30/50 for racing. Tell me out of those 30/50 how many get past 300 mile, and how many manage to get to 500. How many birds do you send to sprint races 10, 20? How many make it to 500 2/3, statistically it shows that not many birdss fly 500.

 

In the same context if you had a team of 30 birds that were capable  of flying 500mls

 

with all the hazards and bop problems nowadays you would probably find that a lot would not survive to get to 500mls  this does not mean they were not capable of doing this distance.    You do not get a true result nowadays

 

 

[Roland]

Quote '..........I think this is another interesting point, I like others have quoted some performances, and Terry and Roland believe most birds can do 500. Now I don't agree and I'll tell you why put simply waht does the average small team man breed a year 30 the majority of ordinary back garden fanciers wil breed between 30/50 for racing. Tell me out of those 30/50 how many get past 300 mile, and how many manage to get to 500. How many birds do you send to sprint races 10, 20? How many make it to 500 2/3, statistically it shows that not many birdss fly 500.

 

I believe what Albear says has bearing of course.

Now, as Albear and most will remember and state, is that back 30 - 40 years, and definitely before, a back garden loft house 10 pairs. A big 'Mob flyer then lol' flew 24 and these went nigh every race and these fanciers did the whole programme. The latecomers were mostly there next morning on the loft, at least during the week. Few strays compared to today of course. This was when there were 140.000 flyers.

Yes the 34000 fanciers send more birds today, fill more churches and though they somehow afford to keep, can't afford to lose their birds.

It was via the Fanciers being gullible and easily led that the Railways became defunct as a means of racing. These that promised ‘Training and racing by Road was better and they WOULD train the club birds etc. etc. Yes they did for a season or so … till the ‘Lads’ could put them on the trains etc. Then it was ‘Pie in the Sky’ and they quickly forgot.

These same 'Leaders' exploited then as now the masses to further and bolster their own coffers.

They wanted 'so called Sprinters and middle distance races in order to race 2 - 3 times a week and make money. The grass routes were conned into think 'Mid Week' races were a better way or tossing - a Darn site dearer too!

  So the 'Systems were changed, altered to suit so called sprint birds. And gradually distances races took a back seat. Now further and further, even if all strains, regardless of distance intend are hatched so to speak from genuine Distance birds…. Or birds that have done it!

I will openly admit that until recently I only ever had and flew 'Cast Offs' and others 'Culls'.

Yes simply because I couldn't - like so many today - I was raising kids and a family (or two lol).

Yet I was able to have 'Homers' from all race points and was there on hard and distance races, having the odd swallow or two..

If I could have afforded proper feeding and training etc. who knows I may have excelled, or ruin the system of 'Content and Fully Natural' flying completely.

Was is it that many don't send to the distance and try? :-/

Well one is the adage excuse of not wanting to hang around in the evening or be up early next day syndrome. The other is they bought so-called 'Sprinters' that 'WON'T do the distance. Well they won't if not sent and that's for sure.

Also why do the 'Location' boys have so called middle distance strains  :-/

So they can steal a march on these contrived 'Mid Day' releases where they are held up at the channel so they can pop over first thing and time in whereas some are doing on tired wings, cold and damp after the water and fly another 2 - 300 miles :-/

then have the cheek to say they 'Flew the Distance' Races.

Louth etc. flying against the inland lads, the Welsh cracks etc. and claiming the ‘Distance’ prizes! A joke, but that is another reason whilst the 'Distance’ races lost their applause and interest. Then they spread the Sections to bolster thei’ own coffers.

Hopefully we will be flying club races sent again by the NRCC.

Perhaps a few more will join again

Certainly won't to fly against the East coast club elite and that's for sure. Just a good section merit would do wonders. Just a little more of a leveller of sections perhaps? It certainly wouldn’t go amiss. Indeed the whole cahoots of sections want altering and corridor against or with the Winds Points. I.e. Westerly! But that’s another topic.

But as for the birds today, well they are certainly ALL capable of 500 milers; I believe that 500 miles is really in real terms at the end of 'Middle Distance'!

 

 

 

[dwh]

say what you like about the sprint lads the blue ribbon event that all members want to win is the long un!

ask most members who won the shortest race of the year and you'll get a lot of blank faces ask them who won the long un! and 9 times out 10 you'll get apositive response

As for me i'm one of the guilty ones "can't send got nowt that'll fly it" but thats all gonna change if you don't try em you'll never know!

[gorsy bank lofts]

 

Hi Lyndon the only concern I would have about doing it near the race is that would this weaken the condition when you did it the second time on race basketing, which is more stressful again. So I'm not sure but a damn good method and maybe worth a try I dunno?.

I remember being told a story by Graham Moss of Stratford about a local fancier who used to win out of turn on one day races but never won a race where birds were in the baskest for two nights or more. He sadly died but his wife decided to keep the birds on. However she could not drive and the only way to get her birds for basketing was to basket on thursday night a club mate picked them up early friday morning and fed them in the basket at his place before taking them on for race basketing, this happened for all races i.e. basketed the day before race basketing so on two day basketing her's were in the basket for 3 days etc. This lady started winning the longest races every year!!??

 

I DID SAY DONT DO IT CLOSE TO A DISTANCE RACE.

i once had a pigeon that only won holdovers,so guess what i basketed him on a thursday at home sent him fri and he won again on one day races, so suits some birds but not others.

the only way is to try it.

keep an eye on pigeons that come well from holdovers they are normally t

he ones for the distance.

just my observation

 

lyndon

[Albear]

 

In the same context if you had a team of 30 birds that were capable  of flying 500mls

 

with all the hazards and bop problems nowadays you would probably find that a lot would not survive to get to 500mls  this does not mean they were not capable of doing this distance.    You do not get a true result nowadays

 

 

Another interesting post STB and I will be controversial and say yes it probably does mean this to, because you breed out of two birds from a 500 mile family they can breed crap too!! >. So I would say what you re saying actually gives further credance to my opinion :-/

[Albear]

 

I DID SAY DONT DO IT CLOSE TO A DISTANCE RACE.

i once had a pigeon that only won holdovers,so guess what i basketed him on a thursday at home sent him fri and he won again on one day races, so suits some birds but not others.

the only way is to try it.

keep an eye on pigeons that come well from holdovers they are normally t

he ones for the distance.

just my observation

 

lyndon

 

Thanks Lyndon, appreciated