how many natinol winners do you own

[Guest IB]

As to what constitutes a National IB says as they are called National, they are National, how the hell can that be.

 

Hi, picked out this bit from your post as you may have misunderstood mine. I said as there are two clubs now covering whole of Scotland, they are both National clubs, and if you win in one or both of them you must have won a National. The different requirements for being a member of either club don't change that.

 

I'm aware of other National clubs south of the border that do not cover a country, they only cover certain regions. I do not consider these National clubs, even though they have 'National' in their title, e.g Midlands does not cover whole of England, so it can hardly be called a National race.

 

 

[Guest]

Rose, yes accept everyone wants a marking station on their doorstep and that cannot be accomodated, but it would be good I think if there was a large national organisation or large British Chapionship club, to have a marking station SE, SW, central. NW and NE and S Wales and if there was demand Scotland and Ireland. They would have to be cost effective but if it was one single club then surely there would be a good chance of this.

This year for example Section D in the NFC has increased birdage quite a bit I think, and this is in my opinion partly to do with the Devon & Cornwall Combine no longer going overseas as a 'fed' but adopting the NFC program as its Channel program. This copied could help organisations throughout the country to reduce their costs and make national racing very popular, you can win your club at Tarbes as I did this year and compete in the National now that's a great incentive.

[Guest]

 

Hi, picked out this bit from your post as you may have misunderstood mine. I said as there are two clubs now covering whole of Scotland, they are both National clubs, and if you win in one or both of them you must have won a National. The different requirements for being a member of either club don't change that.

 

I'm aware of other National clubs south of the border that do not cover a country, they only cover certain regions. I do not consider these National clubs, even though they have 'National' in their title, e.g Midlands does not cover whole of England, so it can hardly be called a National race.

 

 

Hi IB thanks for the clarification, and understand and don't disagree with your thinking about difference between regional and National. However I still feel that a National is unique, you can only have one Scotland, The Hebridees declaring independance and claiming it should now be called Scotland because they are Scots and not that lot on the mainland would not be right.

This perhaps is not an intellectual argument more a moral one, for me there should only be one National, whereever in the world. It would be a bit like having a British Grand National at Newton Abbott, should that be ranked the same as the Grand Natinal at Aintree.

[Guest]

 

Interesting points here on the way our sport is going. Firstly I think it is ignorance to say that National racing has to be over 250 mile, like you Vincent long distance is my aim but to suggest that any races below this distance is niave, the skill involved in winning sprint races against the best in the country when you are talking about near 10,000 pigeons is far tougher.

Then you had petty politics people with some power/ resource deciding they weren't happy with the way the Nationals were being run in Wales and Scotland and decided to split, when what they should have been doing is working to get things change not to act like spoilt brats and throw the teddy out of the cot.

 

 

Firstly i believe long distance racing into the west of Scotland is some of the most challenging racing you will find any where in the world.And the smaller the convoy the more difficult it becomes, far more challenging than mass birdage at half the distance.This is my opinion and believe i am entitled to have my own opinion,not IGNORANCE as you suggested.

But what i believe to be totally ignorant is to suggest the whole membership of the SNRPC were acting like spoilt brats and throwing the teddy out of the cot.Because they did not like the way the National was being run.

[Roland]

Remember when we had classic concerns like the 'Great North Rd' which again ego and selfishness ruined and those called THEMSELVES the NRCC. Yes it is a joke. Likewise the Midland National, and just look at their boundries.... which again makes a mockery of the word 'National'. Yes false prestige and a conn. N.F.C. another joke with it's calling.

Yes say others like the barcelona club for example is wide and diverse.

No need to go on.

Sprinters / middle distances birds allowed to be called 'Distance' winners, and arranges Noon libs to ensure true distance birds can't make it on the day.

What a conn. Need one go on?

Then just look at how some birds flying 2 to 3 hundred miles further are robbed of their true merit and the mettle they've made of. Because a sprinter hops over the channel first thing.

Next day is a different day. Muscles are cramped or tired. Cooler water and air.... etc. and whilst ' Slick Nick and co, who have contrived as such, have their birds cosy in the nest, others then are actually battling or at least having to contend with.

[Guest]

 

Firstly i believe long distance racing into the west of Scotland is some of the most challenging racing you will find any where in the world.And the smaller the convoy the more difficult it becomes, far more challenging than mass birdage at half the distance.This is my opinion and believe i am entitled to have my own opinion,not IGNORANCE as you suggested.

But what i believe to be totally ignorant is to suggest the whole membership of the SNRPC were acting like spoilt brats and throwing the teddy out of the cot.Because they did not like the way the National was being run.

 

OUCH

Point by point

To the west coast of Scotland is tough no doubt, but I'll say it's tougher to South Wales from Lerwick, simply because the North road birds are flying into a headwind, yours are flying with a tale wind but like mine do often have  to dog leg because of the west in the sw winds. That is not to say it is any more difficult to win on either road, but it is tougher on the bird flying North road.

IGNORANCE,  Have you ever raced into a hotbed area where there are 10 times as many members that live in your area trying to win wekk in week out at the sprints. If you think winning a National against 10000 birds at 250 miles does not merit, then that is ignorance, whether it is ignorance because of lack of experience or pig headedness, in my opinion that is ignorance.

As to whether you lot threw your teddy out of the cot I don't know , if the hat fits! However it always takes two to boogey and I would lay the blame clearly at the original body, from my perspective and in my opinion it does n't matter which country we are talking about, the body in control is negligent to allow its members to become so peeved off that they set up a diffbreakaway club

[Guest]

ist nat 2 nat etc etc and from were and what breed are they

 

hope to tell you this weekend ;D ;D ;D

[hotrod]

 

come to *expletive removed* stu, how can u call that a national winner, it should be called the breakaway winner, how many birds were away when u won the club race? i've been watching u as a guest for a wee while now, ur as good as the break away club, medioca!!

you are entitled to your opinion dick. thanx

 

 

[gangster]

pay no heed that bird deserves its title as it was 1st national..end of....and nobody will tell me different  and found the post quite disrespective to be honest...

[gangster]

i hope 1 day 2 walk in some of these guys footprints n win a national  

[Novice]

pay no heed that bird deserves its title as it was 1st national..end of....and nobody will tell me different  and found the post quite disrespective to be honest...

 

Taking into account the loft location and prevailing wind on the weekend of the race it was the performance of the year into Scotland.

[gangster]

 

Taking into account the loft location and prevailing wind on the weekend of the race it was the performance of the year into Scotland.

 

correct and to come on an disrespect both the gallant bird and owners performance stinks of pure jelousey..

[gangster]

 

Can i put my name down for yb of it please dont forget me discount ;D

 

1st on the list...

[Novice]

 

correct and to come on an disrespect both the gallant bird and owners performance stinks of pure jelousey..

 

I agree entirely. Well said

[ALF]

 

Taking into account the loft location and prevailing wind on the weekend of the race it was the performance of the year into Scotland.

 

It sure was the performance of the year 8) 8)

[hotrod]

 

some of the best long distance men in scotland fly in the new nat and some with snfc  hotrod winner was the best that wk end look at his velocity ,

hes just a wind up merchant john never mind him ,real doo men know how good my hen  was that day .

 

 

[edwards]

bought in a family of them well actually bought out a mans family of them and other mens worst positon was 130 national others 2nd national ranging between 290 and 420 miles birdage of 28000 birds these have won allmost every were the family the uk ireland wales holland america this year being the first trying our selfs with them as yearlings (4) at that we sent 1 and finished 7th national winning £2160 and an ets system we have 200 youngones being tried to the max and there first race sunday were 1 and 2 club up in the fed there going breed some champions that how convident we are with them.

[Guest]

bought in a family of them well actually bought out a mans family of them and other mens worst positon was 130 national others 2nd national ranging between 290 and 420 miles birdage of 28000 birds these have won allmost every were the family the uk ireland wales holland america this year being the first trying our selfs with them as yearlings (4) at that we sent 1 and finished 7th national winning £2160 and an ets system we have 200 youngones being tried to the max and there first race sunday were 1 and 2 club up in the fed there going breed some champions that how convident we are with them.

 

That's a huge setup!! But good luck at the end of the day you have to do your bit to get the winner. Quite envious of your obvious resource

[Roland]

I think Vincents Smiths part regards the distance and Nationals etc. brings home the part which one or two may have missed, the word 'CHALLENGING'! and I for one would go along with that. Hear the Antwerp birds hit the area in 100's well 1000's all into a small area. So yes the 'Clocking in used to be so very importanr. Now, well Et's have took a chunk out of that. And all are in the same boat.

So yes I believe the Distances races are the most challenging, especially on hard days.

Again location  / wind of course plays a big part. But from say 575 miles upwards when the distance race start, birds have to have a bit about them. Bred with good constitutions and heart.

Then the easy part is the owner to sit around idly and wait ... Some say that that is the hard bit  :-/ :o lol  ;D

But nothing excites like that worn and weary bird dropping from the distance. Yes a slight flutter etc. on the short sprints... but from the 625 Pau etc. or more, that feeling, regardless how well the birds done lingers for a flipping long time. Sprint, well you go shopping after wards and forget it till you strike off. Distance everyone WANTS to know. 250 miles well...

Yes it has to have done it granted.

[Guest shay]

ah owen 2 brother and sister both won bourges 580 to me the hen won it last year and the cock this year they are ted ivorys van der wegans

[Guest stb]

I think Vincents Smiths part regards the distance and Nationals etc. brings home the part which one or two may have missed, the word 'CHALLENGING'! and I for one would go along with that. Hear the Antwerp birds hit the area in 100's well 1000's all into a small area. So yes the 'Clocking in used to be so very importanr. Now, well Et's have took a chunk out of that. And all are in the same boat.

So yes I believe the Distances races are the most challenging, especially on hard days.

Again location  / wind of course plays a big part. But from say 575 miles upwards when the distance race start, birds have to have a bit about them. Bred with good constitutions and heart.

Then the easy part is the owner to sit around idly and wait ... Some say that that is the hard bit  :-/ :o lol  ;D

But nothing excites like that worn and weary bird dropping from the distance. Yes a slight flutter etc. on the short sprints... but from the 625 Pau etc. or more, that feeling, regardless how well the birds done lingers for a flipping long time. Sprint, well you go shopping after wards and forget it till you strike off. Distance everyone WANTS to know. 250 miles well...

Yes it has to have done it granted.

i take it that you have won so many nationals under 575 that you only go to races over 575mls so you can go shopping longer.

 

 

[Roland]

You can take it how you like. But I seldom ever bother to get out of bed for a sprint or middle distance and that's a fact.

Don't think that today, with a proven family, that you even need them to prepare for the Distance by using this shorter races as once was believed either. So yes, I have time for those that do the shorter races. Yes I sponsor their' races every week - we all pay a set fee for all races, exept the distance in our club, but as it was pased as such I have to pay for them other races I'm not interested in.

But it is a challenge for man and bird. Much more so than sprint and middle distance, because for another simple fact, every year everyone outside of who actually won the sprints and Middle distance, no body remembers. Whereas ever good bird from the longer distances, even those that flew well to be placed are known to all, NOT only next year, but for years on end. I mean just who remembers or cares that 23 birds were clocked within a second.... No one. You will remeber a hard Lerwicke winner every year, and those distance flyers.

[Guest stb]

You can take it how you like. But I seldom ever bother to get out of bed for a sprint or middle distance and that's a fact.

Don't think that today, with a proven family, that you even need them to prepare for the Distance by using this shorter races as once was believed either. So yes, I have time for those that do the shorter races. Yes I sponsor their' races every week - we all pay a set fee for all races, exept the distance in our club, but as it was pased as such I have to pay for them other races I'm not interested in.

But it is a challenge for man and bird. Much more so than sprint and middle distance, because for another simple fact, every year everyone outside of who actually won the sprints and Middle distance, no body remembers. Whereas ever good bird from the longer distances, even those that flew well to be placed are known to all, NOT only next year, but for years on end. I mean just who remembers or cares that 23 birds were clocked within a second.... No one. You will remeber a hard Lerwicke winner every year, and those distance flyers.

think i no what your trying to say but far more fanciers and birds go to these mid distance nationals and must be very hard to win. also an awful lot of these fanciers will

not even go to the longer races and i would not think they would remember the lerwick winner for years, a lot probably would not no where it was farless be interested.

the people who are interested  in l,d racing would no and remember but the majority would not.

anyway this thread is about how many national winners you have in your loft not about who says what distance constitutes a national,  so spit it out how many national winners do you have in your loft .

Personaly i have none, but does not detract that a nat winner is a nat winner no matter what distance  it is and thats what the question was.

 

 

[Guest]

you are entitled to your opinion dick. thanx

 

 

what was your vel when you won that day stuart?

[Guest stb]

just the one bred/raced by myself  590 miles  1121 ypm velocity sire bred by j& i alston ravenstruther off his bird called (the stirling cock when paired to a dtr of f.souness dunbar  2nd open winner) dam bred by myself off n.black & son of dromore birds the g/dam of my nat winner is a direct dtr of blacks famous (99) hen ,which is dam of his 1st open kings cup ,she is dam and g/dam of loads of other top national ticket winners inc 2nd open , 4th open ,6th open 7th open  2 x 8th open winners

frank go to specsavers