Virkon s

[pigeonpete]

Have just been reading on another site that guy uses virkon s in the water, dosage was a teaspoon to 10 litres of water, Now i use virkon daily during race season, But only for spraying perches/boxes etc, And daily for spraying drinker, but make sure they are well rinsed out. Has anyone used this in the drinking water? And if so what benifit would it have? I would not dream of using it straight in the drinker. Any thoughts or views please :-)

 

Also once made up into liquid form, how long would you say it stays active for? As i make mine up in 1 go out of sachet, and last for a month or more, is it still good after a month? :-/

[Guest Taylors Choice]

Heard of people doing this before Pete. Pretty sure it can be diluted and drunk without harm if done correctly

 

It's meant to be effective against viruses, bacteria, fungi, yeast and moulds.

[Guest TAMMY_1]

Have just been reading on another site that guy uses virkon s in the water, dosage was a teaspoon to 10 litres of water, Now i use virkon daily during race season, But only for spraying perches/boxes etc, And daily for spraying drinker, but make sure they are well rinsed out. Has anyone used this in the drinking water? And if so what benifit would it have? I would not dream of using it straight in the drinker. Any thoughts or views please :-)

 

Also once made up into liquid form, how long would you say it stays active for? As i make mine up in 1 go out of sachet, and last for a month or more, is it still good after a month? :-/

 

we sometimes use it in the bathwater Pete, it was the late Hughie Brown that told me to do this a while back and he said when they took a drink it would help their insides and it has never done them any harm, it was just a pinch he told me to use and if it froths the water up then you know you have enough in.

[Guest madpup]

Heard one good flyer, who puts a little in his drinkers three weeks before a big race dont know the doesage!!!! cant do any harm with his results

[Pigeondoll]

Have just been reading on another site that guy uses virkon s in the water, dosage was a teaspoon to 10 litres of water, Now i use virkon daily during race season, But only for spraying perches/boxes etc, And daily for spraying drinker, but make sure they are well rinsed out. Has anyone used this in the drinking water? And if so what benifit would it have? I would not dream of using it straight in the drinker. Any thoughts or views please :-)

 

Also once made up into liquid form, how long would you say it stays active for? As i make mine up in 1 go out of sachet, and last for a month or more, is it still good after a month? :-/

 

We use virkon s to treat the young bird shed, vet use it to sterilize there counters etc,  i wouldn't dream of using it in the daily drinking water, i sure that this would strip the pigeons natural bacteria to fight infection, it will kill everything in its stomach.  

[Pigeondoll]

DO WE STERILIZE OUR WATER BERFORE WE DRINK IT ? I don't use sterilizing fluids or bleach in my water, so there is no way id do this to my birds!

[Williedoo]

Have just been reading on another site that guy uses virkon s in the water, dosage was a teaspoon to 10 litres of water, Now i use virkon daily during race season, But only for spraying perches/boxes etc, And daily for spraying drinker, but make sure they are well rinsed out. Has anyone used this in the drinking water? And if so what benifit would it have? I would not dream of using it straight in the drinker. Any thoughts or views please :-)

 

Also once made up into liquid form, how long would you say it stays active for? As i make mine up in 1 go out of sachet, and last for a month or more, is it still good after a month? :-/

If its the same stuff as we use in our club it is only good as long as it stays pink,and thats only a few days.

 

[Guest IB]

Think this arose from a misunderstanding. Virkon S can be used to sterilise water systems, makers recommend adding it to the header tank. As you know, header tanks are not part of drinking water systems.

 

Sachet says use within a month. I watch the colour and smell, if it runs white and loses its 'disinfectant' smell, its useless.

 

Only disinfectant specifically for use in drinking water is Vanodine v 18. Sterilises water, does nothing inside the bird.  It's colour coded - once it loses its iodine 'yellow to purple' colour, its useless.

[me]

Think this arose from a misunderstanding. Virkon S can be used to sterilise water systems, makers recommend adding it to the header tank. As you know, header tanks are not part of drinking water systems.

 

Sachet says use within a month.  

 

Nope Bruno lad you are wrong, if I remember we had this "discussion" many moons ago(we must be getting old) the header tank is the tank providing water in chicken sheds for example. Virkon s can be used in the drinking fountains and the dosage is the thing to get right I would use 2.5ml to the gallon but it is not a product you would use everyday and most certainly not when there was youngsters you wanted in the nest. Use when convenient for 3 days then follow with multivits and then a probiotic for at least 3 days after that.

 

[Guest stb-]

Fine in the water at correct dosage,    Im sure Rose on hear uses it :)

[me]

 

it was the late Hughie Brown that told me to do this a while back and he said when they took a drink it would help their insides and it has never done them any harm.

 

Hugh had a yeast problem with his birds a few years back and that was when he started using it. I have used it in the bath water for many years, but you have to be careful when you use it if you have birds feeding youngsters.

 

 

[david]

Have just been reading on another site that guy uses virkon s in the water, dosage was a teaspoon to 10 litres of water, Now i use virkon daily during race season, But only for spraying perches/boxes etc, And daily for spraying drinker, but make sure they are well rinsed out. Has anyone used this in the drinking water? And if so what benifit would it have? I would not dream of using it straight in the drinker. Any thoughts or views please :-)

 

Also once made up into liquid form, how long would you say it stays active for? As i make mine up in 1 go out of sachet, and last for a month or more, is it still good after a month? :-/

 

Hi Pete .

 

This is one topic i can talk on that gave me  disatserous consequences  .

 

I followed advice some five years ago (i was just starting the doo's)..from a very'credible and gifted fancier from the pigeonchat forum .

 

I folowed the advice and quantities of virkon-s to give to my birds via the drinker .

I must emphasise these guidlines were followed to the day and letter .

Within 3 weeks i had a loft of pigeons that would not of looked out of place in auschwitz...

I realised too late that i had poisoned my birds .I had to kill 11 and the rest never recovered as i lost many in training tosses .The damage was done so to speak .

I spoke to a quality fancier last year who has won many ,many, great positions from club to national level.

He could not believe it when i referred to the events with the virkon s some years back .

He told me Never,never, Bleach,or disinfect your birds in any shape or form .

When one realy gets to grips with this statement and sees it for what it means we all need our heads looked at if we should even think about the practice .

 

Hope this helps mate .

 

DAVID

[Guest stb-]

 

Hi Pete .

 

This is one topic i can talk on that gave me  disatserous consequences  .

 

I followed advice some five years ago (i was just starting the doo's)..from a very'credible and gifted fancier from the pigeonchat forum .

 

I folowed the advice and quantities of virkon-s to give to my birds via the drinker .

I must emphasise these guidlines were followed to the day and letter .

Within 3 weeks i had a loft of pigeons that would not of looked out of place in auschwitz...

I realised too late that i had poisoned my birds .I had to kill 11 and the rest never recovered as i lost many in training tosses .The damage was done so to speak .

I spoke to a quality fancier last year who has won many ,many, great positions from club to national level.

He could not believe it when i referred to the events with the virkon s some years back .

He told me Never,never, Bleach,or disinfect your birds in any shape or form .

When one realy gets to grips with this statement and sees it for what it means we all need our heads looked at if we should even think about the practice .

 

Hope this helps mate .

 

DAVID

 

David have used it for 20 years and never had any problems, but certainly dont use it for more than one day every so often,   did you use it continuosly??

[peterpau]

Mate for a long time I knew of people that used houshold bleach in the drinking water on return from a race. For may be 6 or 7 years I knew this and just couldn't do it my self. Did it last year at the first 2 young bird races and never had ybs.

I used to deliver powder cement to where the mixers loaded. Strangely enough the local pigeons drank the water and were generaly very healthy.

They seem to thrive on water that you just wouldn't believe fit to drink .

[me]

 

Sorry to hear that David there is nothing worse than seeing your birds suffer especially as you were probably blaming yourself. What was the dosage you used to in your birds water?

 

 

[david]

 

David have used it for 20 years and never had any problems, but certainly dont use it for more than one day every so often,   did you use it continuosly??

 

stb,

 

Sadly i used it every second day ...and what a real low life i felt .

 

David

[Guest peter.j]

DO WE STERILIZE OUR WATER BERFORE WE DRINK IT ? I don't use sterilizing fluids or bleach in my water, so there is no way id do this to my birds!

 

no as its already done at the TREATMENT plant

[Fair Play]

I am using it on advice from a well known fancier one teaspoon/10litres of water one day /week will kill up to 18 known internal viruses never make stronger than suggested dosage as birds will refuse to drink it. Time will tell if it is of benefit to the birds.

[david]

I have a friend who went to use spot on (de-louser ) on his spaniels .he had 3 springers and 3 cockers .

He believed he had to administer the spot on orally, but realy he had to put it on the nape of the neck and upon the animals  rump.

He poisoned his dogs killing 4 of them within 12 hours ...2 of them survived but were very ill indeed .

This man is a senior contracts director for barrett homes. he had common sense in abundance having worked on the tools and all the way up to his senior managers post .

 

This can happen to anybody if they listen to others long enough ,it seemed someone had joked to him a week earlier about giving this stuff to his dogs via- their food and he believed it to be gospel .

 

Sad but true ..

 

DAVID

 

[Fair Play]

Does the pigeon one not also "kill" cats ?

[kev01293]

yeh the virkon s ive got states that its poisonous to cats also the ivermectin pour on ive got also states that it should not be applied to other species as severe reactions including fatalities may occur including dogs    kev

[REDCHEQHEN]

Taken from Jack Barkel's site

 

14 October 2000

 

1. Herpes

2. Flying

 

 

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1. Herpes              Jack Barkel

 

Hello Herman, and Members,

Many times when people start treating for PMV, they think the vaccine will cure, vaccines cure nothing. To give a vaccine after a bird has contracted a disease, boosts the illness even more and can be fatal. We as fanciers must remember this before going crazy with medication. If your birds get Salmonella, Newcastle, Paratyphus,etc the first and most ridiculous diagnosis, by most fanciers and Vets is Paramyxo. It is as if it is the only word they know, and not only that, we in South Africa have not got the facilities to test for PMV!!. Yet our clever guys can diagnose it by site. What a poor bunch of specimens we have looking after the health of our pigeons.

 

If your pigeons are showing signs of these several diseases I have just mentioned, it is nearly certain as I have proved by curing peoples pigeons for them, that what there birds have contracted is nothing more than the Herpes Virus. But in my opinion because it is so easily and cheaply cured no assistance will be forthcoming from the guys who provide all the expensive vaccines and anti-biotics.

 

Many lofts harbour infected birds, and 75% of pigeons tested have shown to have this viral disease. Still the powers that be concentrate on PMV and not Herpes Virus, I still say it is money that creates this shocking brain washing of the fancier, nothing else. If you live in South Africa, and you have your birds tested for PMV, show me the lab report and signature and I will show you an untrue document unless it was sent overseas to be analysed. If one treats their birds for Herpes Virus you will have a healthy loft within a week. I can provide evidence of many lofts that were treated professionally for weeks for PMV with no improvement whatsoever. They have come to me, and the following week are back in the clock, I am not a clever guy, do not get me wrong, I learn from genuine people not commercialists, it is cheap and easy to keep your birds healthy. I hire a virologist to keep my birds healthy, I have too many birds, to run these lofts any other way,

therefore I have no microscopes any more or other testing equipment. But I learn from people who get paid for results not for how much useless medication they can sell me.

 

Herpes Virus (PHV) has even been described as an Avian Paramyxovirus type 1. It can look like Newcastle, Canker and Paratyphus all rolled into one. It can effect the digestive tract as well as the nervous system that is why people are too willing to believe they have an incurable disease.

 

Treatment:

Purchase Virkon S, it kills all 18 viruses known to your pigeons and the price will not make a hole in a school child's pocket money. Read the dilutions on the packet, and disinfect the entire loft with this solution. Mix one teaspoon = 5-grams on 10 litres or 2-Gallons of drinking water for

three days and your birds will recover, then for three days give them a flora treatment to replace the good germs in the gut tract. It is cheap, it is easy, and IT WORKS, simply because you are using the correct product for the 18 viral diseases known to pigeons. I do not say that other treatments are no good, but I do know I have one of the healthiest lofts in South Africa, housing hundreds of birds at any one time. It is a business and it is run as a business, no margin for mistakes. No unnecessary medication, this all creates unnecessary overheads and immunity problems. I do not say that you must do it my way and I have no intention of offending anyone other than those who earn a living by being less than truthful in order to bleed the pigeon fanciers dry. I learn from the people who keep my lofts and birds squeaky clean and I pass it on to

other fanciers, so that maybe they can use what I consider valuable information in maintaining HEALTHY PIGEONS. I would give 1-Teaspoon of VirkonS on ten Litres one day every two weeks to ensure that my birds remain germ free.

Yours in Sport

Jack Barkel.

 

 

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[Guest frank dooman]

I have a friend who went to use spot on (de-louser ) on his spaniels .he had 3 springers and 3 cockers .

He believed he had to administer the spot on orally, but realy he had to put it on the nape of the neck and upon the animals  rump.

He poisoned his dogs killing 4 of them within 12 hours ...2 of them survived but were very ill indeed .

This man is a senior contracts director for barrett homes. he had common sense in abundance having worked on the tools and all the way up to his senior managers post .

 

This can happen to anybody if they listen to others long enough ,it seemed someone had joked to him a week earlier about giving this stuff to his dogs via- their food and he believed it to be gospel .

 

Sad but true ..

 

DAVID

 

david is the guy you are talking about from fife by any chance??

[micko and jack]

  got this on the Vet articles thread

 

USE OF ACIDS IN PIGEONS

 

By Dr Colin Walker  BSc, BVSc, MRCVS, MACVSc (Avian health)

 

One of the ways that the bowel protects itself from disease is through the maintenance of a weakly acidic environment. They are able to do this because many of the normal bacteria present, such as Lactobacillus, produce lactic acid. With stress the Lactobacilli are one of the first bacteria to be lost and so acid production falls and pH rises resulting in a less acidic bowel. Potentially disease causing organisms such as E.coli, Salmonella and yeast don’t survive well in an acidic environment and so the loss of this acidic environment creates a window of opportunity for these to establish and multiply. Anything that re-establishes the normal acidic environment quickly, minimises the chances of disease. One way of doing this is by adding acids to the birds drinking water. Initially this may seem a little bit strange, however, if done correctly it can be advantageous.

 

There are dose rates available for acids such as hydrochloric acid, however, as these acids can be quite dangerous to handle their use is not encouraged. There are two acids commonly used. One is acetic acid. This is available as apple cider vinegar at your local supermarket and the dose rate is 5ml per litre. Alternatively, citric acid can be used. This can be purchased as a white powder from the chemist ( we also stock it at the Knox Bird Clinic). Here the usual dose used is 1 teaspoon (3grams) to 6 litres of water. It is interesting that many of the older bird books recommend the use of acids and suggest squeezing lemon juice or adding other sources of citric acid to the birds drinker. Some old secrets still work well today.

 

Used correctly, acids can do the birds no harm. Fanciers can use them in a number of ways. Either to treat the birds when they are diagnosed with E.coli or “thrush†(yeast) where they are a handy way of controlling mild infection without resorting to antibiotics. Alternatively, if the loft has on going problems, a fancier can put them in the water for one or two days per week as part of an ongoing health management programme, say on a Wednesday and Sunday. Also, if fanciers experience predictable yeast or other bowel problems following stress, say for example, following periods of cold damp weather in an open loft, then when these conditions occur he can put the acids in the water for one or more days to head problems off.

 

With mild yeast or bacterial bowel upsets the use of acids often results in the production of tight brown nut-like droppings with reduced odour and a healthier looking bird. A failure to respond indicates a more serious problem and veterinary assistance may be required.  

 

 

[micko and jack]

just came on this

 

http://members.tripod.com/racing_pigeon/health_page.htm

 

Article on Bleach in Drinking Water

 

In March 1985 a personal friend of mine, Mr. Ralph Bevan, in an interview with Mr. Ralph V. Forbes for the Racing Pigeon Facts International, wrote one of the best aids to good form according to Ralph is the proper use of bleach in the water.  Some years ago Ralph experimented with it in the drinking water and the bath water.  He noticed his birds feathering became silkier as the days went by.  He added 3 drops of bleach to a gallon of drinking water and 1 capful of bleach to a 5 gallons of bath water.   Further to this study in the late '90's, Dr. David Marx also used bleach in his bird's drinking water everyday.  His dosage is 1 teaspoon per gallon of water.   He feels that it makes the droppings of the birds very acidic, therefore the birds are less likely to pick up any diseases such as Cocci or Canker.  He stresses NOT to use anything else when using bleach and only use bleach with no additives.  If you must give vitamins or medication of any type just stop the bleach until you have finished the vitamins or medication then you can start the bleach again.