Canker – Trichomoniasis

[birdbrain]

i have heard  that a treatment for canker is getting the end of a match (the one that ignites) and slowly rubbing it onto the infected area of the mouth (if caught in the early stages).  

[Guest]

BEST OFF GIVING THE INFECTED BIRD A SPARTRIX TABLET, AND IF IT DOESNT GO IN TWO DAYS, GIVE IT ANOTHER, IT SOON CLEARS. I WOULDNT REMOVE THE CHEESE LIKE SUBSTANCE AS IT MAY BLEED AND CHOKE THE BIRD!!

[Guest WINGS 04]

yes i agree with you sbelbin but you should remove the sick bird to treat it as they what all have it

[Guest Doostalker]

Birdbrain, if you can see the canker enough to rub it with a match head, then it is not in the early stages and extends down the birds throat into the crop. The match will do absolutely no good, and if it is the only treatment will certainly do harm. Like Shelbin says give it Spartrix, and keep it seperate. If it is a new addition to the loft, it needs to build up immunity to the canker strains already in your flock. Read Pigeon Health and Management by the Flying Vet, Dr Colin Walker. It is an expensive book, but worth every penny.

[Guest shadow]

Never heard of a match being used to remove canker ,but have seen it used to remove the cheese like substance from the throat when a bird has pox :)

[Guest speckled]

:-/ Ah    hi ya shadow,little confussed :-/ with ya answer :-/ ,i though that" POX "was like warts,  :-/around the eyes ,wattles,  yes, in the mouth,ect  but, i  like never new it, had any think to do with the "Cheese"  like stubstace that you get with "canker".As there is a vacine for the "Pox", &  treatment for Canker.So alittle confused, :-/  Speckled.

[PIGEON_MAN]

BIRDBRAIN,I ALSO HEARD SOME YEARS AGO ABOUT USING A MATCH BUT CANT QUITE REMEMBER THE DETAILS BUT I DO KNOW OF A CURE THAT MY GRANDFATHER USED WITH GREAT SUCCESS AND THAT WAS TO GET A BOTTLE OF FOUNTAIN PEN INK IF YOU CAN STILL GET IT  AND WITH A FEATHER DIP IT INTO THE INK AND SORT OF PAINT IT ON TO THE INFECTED AREA,HAVE NOT HAD TO DO THIS FOR A LONG TIME NOW BUT IS DOES WORK.

[jimmy white]

THE IDEA WITH THE MATCH IS WELL OUTDATED NOW, IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE THE SULPHER IN THE MATCH THAT HELPED, NOWADAYS THERES FAR MORE MODERN ITEMS ON THE MARKET, SPARTRIX IS AS GOOD AS ANY BUT A LOT  DEARER THAN A BOX OF MATCHES

[Guest]

i remember attending a quiz night some years ago,a member of the panel that night was armand scheers well known dutch pigeon fancier  & authority on pigeon health matters,during the question  & answer session the subject of  canker in pigeons came up.from memory he stated that there were approx. 29 different strains of trichomonasis(canker),26 of which were fairly mild & could be treated with over the counter products supplied by your corn merchant,but ther were 3 very virulent strains which these products would not shift,he suggested these could be tackled by using metronidazole tablets(only obtainable from your vet)1/4 tablet given prior to pairing & 1/4tablet every 4 -5 weeks during racing, hope this helps.

[jimmy white]

if any one you know on holiday in continent tell them to get you fragyl [i think thats the right name,] its sold over the counter there and is very cheap, its actualy for humans and available on prescription here.it will cost you about 3 euros

[Westwater Assassin]

JIMMY THE NAME OF THE STUFF YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT IS "FLAGYL" IT IS USED AS AN ORAL TREATMENT FOR THRUSH IN HUMANS, HALF A TABLET PER BIRD AS IT IS BASED ON A 250mg TABLET.

 

HOPE IT HELPS

 

 

[Westwater Assassin]

I ALSO ATTENDED AN ARMAND SCHEERS TALK AND ANSWER SESSION A FEW YEARS BACK AND YES BILLYMAC HE SAID EXACTLY THE SAME AS WHAT YOU ARE SAYING WITH REGARDS TO TREAMENTS.

 

 

HE ALSO SAID "ALL" PIGEONS ARE CARRIERS OF AT LEAST ONE STRAIN/LEVEL OF CANKER AND IT JUST NEEDS THEM TO REACH A CERTIAN LEVEL OF STRESS TO TRIGGER THE CANKER OFF.

 

HOPE IT HELPS

 

[Guest shadow]

Speckled of course you were right my brain was not in gear that day thanks for pointing it out bet you had a good laugh

[Guest speckled]

;D Hi ya Shadow, never mind,but No only a chuckle. ;D got the brain in gear now i hope. ;D On the ball Speckled. ;D

[Guest Davy Fleming]

Birdbrain Hi Mate , Spartrix is okay but Metronidazole is by     far the best from the vet approx 20-30pence per tablet matchsticks and ink is just codswallop i'm afraid   good luck buddy

[Guest]

Haven't seen canker in years so can't say how I would go about treating it. I would be more worried about the underlying cause though, because a healthy bird lives with trich all the time and, when healthy, its own body systems keep trich levels low. Also, if it bleeds, then I know you haven't got canker - you have something much more serious. Get the bird isolated and get someone knowledgeable to double-check this bird for you

[jimmy white]

have to say bruno  [its getting on to bruno time haha]you said in an earlier post that you couldnt find anything offensive,,, in taking a sick bird to a fellow fancier    ,the previous post explains this . youve never seen canker in years.  well if someone brought a canker ridden bird to you., im quite sure you would see it then, in your own birds.i understand you were meaning well , and i could see what you were meaning, but you wouldnt catch it over the phone.  phew that was a bit of a nasty one, hope you take the right way.  jimmy

[Guest]

Completely missed this one, Jimmy, you midden!  

 

Take your point (up to a point  ;D ) about taking a sick pigeon to a fancier; there's a big difference in seeing a bird and trying to 'see' in your mind's eye what the bird may look like from various descriptions - like in this forum. Still not sure whether the bird has pox or canker, but coming down on pox.  ??)

 

Then there's the advice to give the bird a treatment which is actually to get rid of a candida (a yeast / plant) - for canker (a protozoan / animal) ??)

 

But on your last point - me spreading the illness to or from my birds - it just can't happen.  I've shown 2 birds with eye problems to a local fancier (in my own loft) WITHOUT him handling them. I also sprayed my hands with Virkon before touching anything else. If I was asked to look at a bird and give an opinion (and that's all it could be because I'm no expert) I'd probably handle it, and again use my Virkon spray.

 

 

[Guest]

Where do you get Virkon-S from Bruno??

[Guest]

Sbelbin, I get mine from my local granary 'Russell's Country Stores' Stirling Road, Larbert (near the bus Depot).

 

Retails at around £1.30 a sachet which makes 5 litres.

 

Our 'local' Central Scotland grain & specifics supplier Tam Law 'Woodside Farm' Stirling Road, Torwood, also stocks it.  

[celtic]

Would pre-prepared crushed garlic in the water do the same as a clove of garlic? , i,m thinking it might lose something in the manufacturing process am i right or wrong?

cheers

[Guest]

I've never heard of pre-prepared crushed garlic, Celtic.  

 

But if it has been processed, heat treated or is a dry product, then I suspect that you are correct, that the natural moisture content has gone in the processing and  most of the 'active stuff' with it.

[Peckedhen]

It's certainly not dried - more a sort of paste but there may well be preservatives in it  

[Silverdale Lofts]

This is how i do my garlic but ask the wife first.

I use a full bulb of garlic the biggest you can get i peel and put in a blender all the juice i put into a 2 litre plastic pop bottle and fill to the top with water.

I put a 1/4 inch into a 3 pint drinker and fill up with clean water my birds get this 6 days a week.

[Guest]

Going back a bit in the thread "Is this Canker?". Turned up this article, sub-title explains its relevance.  

 

While the articles describes the disease, the fungus itself is the 'white hairy stuff' you  can see growing on a mat of droppings that have been lying undisturbed for days, for example if you've been away for a few days or haven't been able to clean out during the week in winter.

 

 

ASPERGILLOSIS

 

"Often mistaken for Canker or Tuberculosis.

 

The symptoms are hard growth or lump in the windpipe, gaping for breath, sneezing, coughing, nasal & throat discharges, diarrhoea, swollen joints or lameness. Throat canker shows as a soft easily removable cheesy growth; Aspergillosis is hard and embedded into tissue and cannot be removed without excessive bleeding or pain to the bird, it also attacks the liver and spleen where it may be revealed as white growths in autopsy. Infected birds are best destroyed as full recovery is unlikely. The cause is fungus and mould spores usually floating within the immediate environment of the loft. These proliferate from damp deep litter straw or hay which lay dormant until temperature increases and are only one of many fungal entities lurking therein to cause a variety of illnesses. Another cause is mouldy feed stuff i.e. blackened beans/peas, sour wheat/barley, powdery maize (use your eyesign glass to inspect for blue/grey mouldy powder and smell for sourness) Fumigate the loft with a mould destroying agent i.e. Greenhouse smoke bomb (remove all birds) sterilise all drinkers, grit boxes, corn bins etc.. Valuable stock may be treated although very time consuming : paint a solution of aqueous iodine, glycerine and honey onto the affected throat area with an artist brush. This solution must also be added to the drinking water for patient and uninfected birds alike. There is no 100% cure and vital organ damage will remain permanently. "

 

A good pigeon disinfectant like Virkon or Stalosan keeps you clear of this stuff too.