Honey

[blue bar]

does any one give there birds honey   :)

[chickadee]

does any one give there birds honey   :)

 

we don't but we know of someone in edinburgh who does, he says it keeps their feathers nice.

[Guest j.bamling]

Honey is fantastic stuff !!  It is also very cheap !! I give it to mine once a week only

and it seems to keep the birds in very good condition !!

[Guest]

;D i use it during racing . many posts on this put up previuosly , take a look ,read up on it ,some good info  ;D ;D                                    andy

[schouwman71]

i use honey all the year round,keeps the birds in good condition and i also believe it keeps certain viruses at bay.if you use it dont over dose with it has it can also cause problems aswell.  

[Guest]

My YBs came home from races to a tablespoonful of honey [dissolved in a teaspoonful of cider vinegar] in the drinker.  Thought it was an excellent pick-me-up.

[Guest]

I have used honey as a natural electrolyte,good energy boost for run down birds

[blue bar]

Thanks for the replys how much do you use per litre of water

[THE PRIEST]

I personaly use it twice a week all year . I put 1 teaspoon per 2 liter drinker.

Seems easier to mix in a little warm water first and then add to the drinker.

It does seem to keep them in good condition and feathering.

[Tony C]

Anyone use or have used Propolis?

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propolis

[Fair Play]

Holland & Barrett honey & cider vinigar A litre about £4

[Guest TAMMY_1]

I have used honey as a natural electrolyte,good energy boost for run down birds

 

FIRST CLASS NATURAL PRODUCT FOR BIRDS RETURNING AFTER A RACE, BETTER THAN ALL THE OTHER EXPENSIVE PRODUCTS THAT COST A FORTUNE AND ARE NOT ANY BETTER

[Guest]

I personaly use it twice a week all year . I put 1 teaspoon per 2 liter drinker.

Seems easier to mix in a little warm water first and then add to the drinker.

It does seem to keep them in good condition and feathering.

 

I only got started using it this year because of the same thing - how to get it to dissolve easily? Picked up a tip from BHW on adding boiled water and cider vinegar - cider vinegar dissolves honey.

 

But the same article also said boiled water was used to kill anything in the honey. Does anyone know of anything harmful in honey?

[Guest]

 

I only got started using it this year because of the same thing - how to get it to dissolve easily? Picked up a tip from BHW on adding boiled water and cider vinegar - cider vinegar dissolves honey.

 

But the same article also said boiled water was used to kill anything in the honey. Does anyone know of anything harmful in honey?

i dont know of anything harmful in honey (too much may rot youre teeth) ,when i placed honey in the drinker was also aware into hot water may take away any goodness . so this year i placed honey jar against side of kettle while i busied myself at lofts . honey was more fluid as a result and disolved easier . hope this helps  ;D ;D ;D                                         andy

 

 

[Guest]

i dont know of anything harmful in honey (too much may rot youre teeth) ,when i placed honey in the drinker was also aware into hot water may take away any goodness . so this year i placed honey jar against side of kettle while i busied myself at lofts . honey was more fluid as a result and disolved easier . hope this helps  ;D ;D ;D                                         andy

 

 

I agree with you - there's supposed to be vitamins in honey, and if I remember correctly, boiling destroys vitamins. Yet this link, which is about medicinal uses of honey in humans, repeatedly talks about honey + hot water, [and cinammon] and it backs-up the BHW article on a drink for humans to relieve arthritic pain. Appears main antimicrobial agent is hydrogen peroxide:-

 

http://www.1stholistic.com/Reading/health/health-honey-and-cinnamon.htm

[Guest]

 

I agree with you - there's supposed to be vitamins in honey, and if I remember correctly, boiling destroys vitamins. Yet this link, which is about medicinal uses of honey in humans, repeatedly talks about honey + hot water, [and cinammon] and it backs-up the BHW article on a drink for humans to relieve arthritic pain. Appears main antimicrobial agent is hydrogen peroxide:-

 

http://www.1stholistic.com/Reading/health/health-honey-and-cinnamon.htm

;D i think i have read this before (one of previous links i think) yes it seems to contradict what we beleive to be true . i have considered lowering the honey jar into a pan of hot water to see if that made it more fluid , but as yet have not tried it , may be something to consider  ;D                         andy

 

 

[Guest]

;D i think i have read this before (one of previous links i think) yes it seems to contradict what we beleive to be true . i have considered lowering the honey jar into a pan of hot water to see if that made it more fluid , but as yet have not tried it , may be something to consider  ;D                         andy

 

 

Well, this extract from an article on Alan Darragh agrees with you.  

 

Natural resistance is what Alan aims for with his pigeons, having been known for not only excluding a sick youngster but seeking it’s parents out also, this no nonsense attitude he credits for his continual high performances, no rubbish is accepted regardless of what the pedigree says and what money was spent. As for supplements again very few, with much of them coming from Natural sources, Garlic is used in the water most weeks with Honey used should the pigeons encounter a difficult race, something to keep in mind with honey is not to dissolve it in hot water, I was guilty of that, Alan tells me that I am killing the Vitamin that the Honey holds by using hot water, he recommends putting it in the drinkers the night before and it will be dissolved the following morning.

 

http://www.pigeonnetwork.com/articles/Alan_Darragh.html

 

 

[Guest]

;Dso now we know what to do , another problem solved  ;D . i have posted also (previous) on the benefits of buying LOCAL honey , beleiving it to be more beneficial than one from outside the area  ;D                       andy

[Guest casbri]

i use honey for birds when they home after every race ..always honey in water on return ...have used it aver since i started flying pigeons..birds do look well.

[Guest slugmonkey]

All you need is warm water it will readily dissolve I give honey occasionaly and sometimes put it right on food in natural medicine they say honey helps respitory problems and will cause mucous to be dissolved ?  or help with excess mucous

[Guest]

;Dso now we know what to do , another problem solved  ;D . i have posted also (previous) on the benefits of buying LOCAL honey , beleiving it to be more beneficial than one from outside the area  ;D                       andy

 

 

Er, not quite.  ;D

 

I am reading a very old book at the mo, first written in 1947 [revised 1954] by Dr Anderson, the Scottish Ace, the 3-times National Winner who died in 1953. I am nearly at the end and in my humble opinion he was a man far far ahead of his time because this book could have been written yesterday, it is so fresh and full of info that is still relevant today. Being a Medical Doctor he knew all about vitamins, amino acids, genetics, etc etc and it is clear from his diagrams that he had first hand knowledge of 'how a pigeon works' because he himself had dissected them.

 

He talks about honey on pages 99 & 101. This a section devoted to widowhood racing.

 

P99 - Medicines - 'Honey in small quantities can be added with advantage to the drinking water.  Some of my Belgian friends used to add a little garlic to the water ; personally I have no experience of this and have never tried it out.

 

P101 - Races best suited for widowhood - 'Another item of possible interest is, that after a hard race, the [widowhood] cocks should not be given cold water; a little slightly-warmed milk, or slightly-warmed water with a little honey added (or Glucose-D or sugar) should be used.

 

 

The other thing I uncovered by accident, was the 'harmful' thing in honey. It is not to be given to babies because there is [or could be, not sure which] Clostridium bacteria spores in it which can cause botulism in the very young - without fully developed immune system. Its very rare tho, maybe about 6 cases a year?

 

So is it a case of warm but not boiling water, to get the very best of all worlds?  

 

 

[Guest]

;D ;D thanks again for the info Bruno . look forward to you putting more extracts from that book on here for all to read  ;D                           andy

[bewted]

yes bruno,,,,would be nice to read some good info !!!!

[sammy]

always fill my bucket up at night with water for the morn after water has settled i then add spoonfull of honey to water in the morning honey is dissolved naturally in cold water you just need to give it a stir ,how long it takes i dont know but beats heating up and lossing contents hope this is helpful  

[Roland]

always fill my bucket up at night with water for the morn after water has settled i then add spoonfull of honey to water in the morning honey is dissolved naturally in cold water you just need to give it a stir ,how long it takes i dont know but beats heating up and lossing contents hope this is helpful  

 

Agreed, and I aways have honey in the drinkers on race day, and more importantly on their return.