can you help me

[Guest wattle]

hi all

i got 6 more pigeons  last week and the person i got them from told me to treat for canker,because he tought one of them had it, the are 8 weeks old.when i seen the sick one i knew there was somthing wrong with it, so i dosed with powder for the water, its a 3 in 1 powder for cocci canker and hexatitis from belgium.after 2 days of treatment the bird was lepping around in good form, so i gave them the powder for 6 days as instructed.then i gave vitimins in the water for 3 days and clear water again for the last 2 days. yesterday morining bird sick again. do i kill the *expletive removed* or treat again for another 6 days.

thanks all.

[ALF]

HE SHOULD NEVER HAVE GIVEN YOU A SICK PIGEON IN THE 1st PLACE WATTLE : :

[ALF]

BEST TO GET RID OF IT MATE

[DOVEScot]

hi all

i got 6 more pigeons  last week and the person i got them from told me to treat for canker,because he tought one of them had it, the are 8 weeks old.when i seen the sick one i knew there was somthing wrong with it, so i dosed with powder for the water, its a 3 in 1 powder for cocci canker and hexatitis from belgium.after 2 days of treatment the bird was lepping around in good form, so i gave them the powder for 6 days as instructed.then i gave vitimins in the water for 3 days and clear water again for the last 2 days. yesterday morining bird sick again. do i kill the *expletive removed* or treat again for another 6 days.

thanks all.

 

Did you never have anything similar when you kept the fancies?

 

[Guest]

Nobody should be passing on any pigeon that is sick. Chances are that the others are also infected so return all the birds - if you paid anything for them, get your money back.

 

[EAGLEOWL]

Nobody should be passing on any pigeon that is sick. Chances are that the others are also infected so return all the birds - if you paid anything for them, get your money back.

 

totally agree if purchased get your cash back .if not put it in the bin

[chickadee]

Nobody should be passing on any pigeon that is sick. Chances are that the others are also infected so return all the birds - if you paid anything for them, get your money back.

 

Yes that would be my thoughts, but I would also be jubious about sending them back to the person who obviously doesn't care that much for his birds to transport a sick bird in the first place.

[Guest wattle]

i got the birds for free but i don,t like killing them if i can cure them in 29 years of fancy pigeons would you beleive i never had a sick pigeon, i clean loft twice a day and use loft white from harkers every day.

[Guest]

i got the birds for free but i don,t like killing them if i can cure them in 29 years of fancy pigeons would you beleive i never had a sick pigeon, i clean loft twice a day and use loft white from harkers every day.

 

I don't like it either, but when faced with a situation like yours, I see these birds as a danger to my other birds [assuming you have other birds] and its either 'out' it / them or risk infecting & losing my other birds.... I have always outed a bird I considered a danger to the others, I believe it is a legitimate reason for culling.

[jimmy white]

i honestly think that 8 week old birds that have shown sign of desease at this time of year can only cause  you problems i,e secondry infection etc , maybe not really worth the bother also these can contaminate your loft for the future , sorry to be so negative

[DOVEScot]

i got the birds for free but i don,t like killing them if i can cure them in 29 years of fancy pigeons would you beleive i never had a sick pigeon, i clean loft twice a day and use loft white from harkers every day.

 

Two years ago we lost all our stock in the main loft due to buying one pigeon that had salmonela. The guy denies it to this day despite his lofts being wiped out as well. Learned a hard lesson the hard way, isolate it and the others if you can, if not cull it.

We isolate and treat evert bird even from someone we know with good loft management because birds build up different immunities to their surroundings etc

[pigeonpete]

sorry to hear that wattle he should never have gave you them!! i would be embarresed to give sick birds away!! hope you sort 1 way or another

[Ronnie]

Same as been said Wattle he should never have given you a sick bird.

But i understand what you are saying about not wanting to cull the bird .But and its a very big But if you cant quarantine it then you risk your whole loft being contaminated.

[Guest wattle]

my whole loft just contains these six birds, i lost 20 youngsters one month ago and this moring another one is sick, thats three now. so i don,t no what to do!   :-/

[DOVEScot]

my whole loft just contains these six birds, i lost 20 youngsters one month ago and this moring another one is sick, thats three now. so i don,t no what to do!   :-/

 

The problem is you may get your loft contaminated, and have to do a lot of work to get it clear again. We had to spay everything with avian disenfectant and blow torch as much as we could >

[Guest wattle]

but why do the respond when the are on the 3 in 1 powder and then after a week the relapse, maybe the powder is not doing its job right,come on lads and lasys i need answers here there the only birds i have.

[sammy]

maybe you were treating them for the rong things cause its three and wan dont mean it will cure what yi got any thing you put in the birds water is foreign to their bodies and will give them a boost and make them feel better for a bit only for them to revert to the way they were ,you should consult a vet for an expert opion ,good luck  

[chickadee]

maybe you were treating them for the rong things cause its three and wan dont mean it will cure what yi got any thing you put in the birds water is foreign to their bodies and will give them a boost and make them feel better for a bit only for them to revert to the way they were ,you should consult a vet for an expert opion ,good luck  

 

Yes I would agree to that get one of them to a vet find out the problem, then cure all, then you,ve still got your birds.

[REDCHEQHEN]

what happened to your other 20?

 

could there be something in your loft that you have not got rid of?

 

bacteria etc can live for a long time if you are not in the habit of burning out the loft

[DOVEScot]

what happened to your other 20?

 

could there be something in your loft that you have not got rid of?

 

bacteria etc can live for a long time if you are not in the habit of burning out the loft

 

Nothing unhealthy, he posted before saying birds were all lost in one day while out flying

[REDCHEQHEN]

 

Nothing unhealthy, he posted before saying birds were all lost in one day while out flying

 

apologies - yes I remember now on the lost section

[Guest]

Well if you have an empty loft, start by spraying it with any 'avian' disnifectant, like virkon or vanodine, or if you can't get these easily, jeyes fluid from the gardening shop.

 

If you can get vanodine 18 [pigeon pharmacy by mail] it can go in their drinking water, 1 part vanodine to 1500 parts water, so it lasts forever and kills everything.

 

Put each bird in an individual nest box, feed & water it in there. Simple jam jar job, propped against a wall with a half brick. Put either fresh crushed garlic or cider vinegar or both if you like, in there, purely as a holding job.

 

Take the sick bird to the vet, whatever you have seems to be spreading, and you need to know what 'it' is for sure to cure it. At least with each bird in individual quarantine, you'll stop or slow the spread till you get expert opinion on whats going on with the birds.

 

When they recover, get them on a probiotic.

 

 

[Guest wattle]

i was down at the loft just now  and opened the birds beak with the lights in the loft on, my daughter shined a flashlamp down the birds trout and we seen little yellow spots,a little bit smaller than a grain of suger, i persume its canker

what do ye think, by the way thanks for all the help it means alot.

[DOVEScot]

i was down at the loft just now  and opened the birds beak with the lights in the loft on, my daughter shined a flashlamp down the birds trout and we seen little yellow spots,a little bit smaller than a grain of suger, i persume its canker

what do ye think, by the way thanks for all the help it means alot.

 

High if not certain :-/

[Guest]

i was down at the loft just now  and opened the birds beak with the lights in the loft on, my daughter shined a flashlamp down the birds trout and we seen little yellow spots,a little bit smaller than a grain of suger, i persume its canker

what do ye think, by the way thanks for all the help it means alot.

 

Well the worrying thing is you have treated for canker and it appears to have  come back.

 

Worrying in that it is either (1) a super strain which won't respond to drugs and to which the birds have no immunity or (2) the birds immune system is shot, perhaps bred from stock routinely treated for canker, hence the superbug status, or immune compromised, perhaps damaged when the youngsters were still in the nest, by circovirus, the pigeon equivalent of the AIDS virus.