the fixerman Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 Can anyone give me advice?? I have 2 stock birds , both hens that are unable to fly. Both are sitting eggs at the moment and both were locked in a nest box for 3 days to allow pairing to respective partners. A friend suggested they may have wing cramp??? have never heard of this. I have to go to the aivery last thing at night to lift the birds back into the nest boxes. please help....
OLDYELLOW Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 locked in boxes 3 days if you let each pair out for a couple of hours each day in turn they wont get it
Guest bigda Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 why breed from them, there seem to be something seriously wrong, here mate where they flying in and out before.
Guest Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 if they are on eggs and you locked them up for 3 days to pair up that must of been at least 10 days ago how long have they been out of the boxes? and how long have they been unable to fly
the fixerman Posted February 28, 2009 Author Report Posted February 28, 2009 they were confined to boxes because they were new pigeons brought in from sales at blackpool this yr... they were put into the loft with the respective pairings and allowed to pair so im not certain they were flying ok before hand but assume because the birds were from different sales that it has something to do with being confined???
Guest cloudview Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 my initial thoughts on this are a severe lack of calcium
pjc Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 are they dropping there wings? Is this not a sign of paratyphoid?
the fixerman Posted February 28, 2009 Author Report Posted February 28, 2009 there are no drooping of the wing to show paratyphoid signs, both birds have laid and show no discolouration of droppings to indicate any internal problems.
OLDYELLOW Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 its the lack of use of there wings and more than likely not enough grit
Guest Owen Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 It could be one of the following. Calcium/Magnesium deficiency. Have you been giving the birds fresh grit and minerals regularly? Have your birds been getting time outside in the sunshine? Give your birds fresh grit and minerals every day. Every day. Treat with liquid calcium/magnesium suppliment daily. (If it is this you will probably have hens with egg-binding). It could be gross over weight. If so 3/4oz of barley per day until they hatch when you will have to increase the feed quality to a good breeding mix plus pellets. Feed 11/4 oz gradually increasing until they have just enough to last them to the next feed. Do not leave feed infront of them all day until the babies are 14 days old. Do not top up on old feed. Start fresh each time. It could be paratyphoid but I doubt that because you say it is only hens that show the symptoms. Get someone with more experience to take a look. If you have paratyphoid you will need a vet's help. It will require serious antibiotics to take care of it. It could be paramixovirus but I doubt that because the birds would be very ill and their droppings would be like water. Have you vaccinated? The answer to that question will either eliminate the the possibility of the disease or require you to look further. As an aside, there is a lot of both paramix and paratyphoid about these days. Also check to see if rodents can enter your loft. They can give you big problems.
sapper756 Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 Could be a calcium deficiency, throw half a calcium tablet over their throats, you get them from any chemist.
the fixerman Posted February 28, 2009 Author Report Posted February 28, 2009 hi there.... ty for your in depth reply, i will try what you suggest... have never experienced this before, the birds were brought in from sales at the blackpool show this yr so not sure what husbandry they had before i purchased them. They have access to an aviary although they havent used this at present due to being paired up. the aviary is always locked at dusk judt to make sure no rats or vermin can get access, also staymore poison is used in bait boxes all around the lofts and is used at all times . again may thanks .. kev
peterpau Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 my initial thoughts on this are a severe lack of calcium I would go along with this. Sounds like a serious deficiency to me, calcium grit shell fish grit. The answer is in the confinement at point of lay. Never tried it, but I am told rene tablets for indigestion. Food and water alone is not enough. Many "ailments /diseases" seem to just be a lack of vital vitamins and minerals. Best o' luck Pete.
the fixerman Posted February 28, 2009 Author Report Posted February 28, 2009 will put them on a diet and nip to the chemist tomo to get some calcium tabs....
REDCHEQHEN Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 I give the older hens 1/2 calcium tablet ever day from when they mate until they lay. I was told not to give calcium everyday as this could cause thickening of the egg shell making it more difficult for the chicks to hatch
greenlands Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 my initial thoughts on this are a severe lack of calcium Same thoughts here ,last year i had a cock with same symptoms ok. one day next day couldn't get off loft floor.One tab down his throat, like new.
THEBINFIES Posted February 28, 2009 Report Posted February 28, 2009 Do not forget pigeons can be held over for 5,6,7, day`s in a crate & still race home from hundreds of miles. So there must have been something wrong with them when you bought them.
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