Im a young fancier and need help asap

[Guest anto]

yes try it mate it will clear it up this time of year you will get wet droppings and it works a treat mate save you money and thats what we try to do on this site

 

your right it does work tryed it not to long ago and it worked great

[Guest Owen]

I have just seen Strapper's advice. He is 100% right. You need to be sure that the birds do not have either parasites or a disease. And for goodness sake do not pair them up until you have resolved this situation.

Things like bicarb are not the answer.

 

 

 

[Ulsterman]

 

your right it does work tryed it not to long ago and it worked great

 

how much to 1 litre of water.m8.

[blackdog]

 

how much to 1 litre of water.m8.

 

TABLE SPOON TO 3PINTS

[greenlands]

greenlands no your wrong with wet droppings at this time of year[ bicarbonate soda ] table spoon as ritchie 1 has posted save you lots of money

Can't be wrong mate I haven't said anything ??

Lindsay

 

PS.I've used bi-carb for over 50 years.

 

[walterbmasson]

OWEN ANTO HAS JUSTED POSTED HES TRIED IT AND WORKS A TREAT Let fanciers do the best for there birds at no cost to them

[Guest anto]

 

TABLE SPOON TO 3PINTS

 

your right blackdog the mate on here was haveing problems aswell it worked 4 him aswell table spoon to 3 pints

the dearest cure is not always the best

[Guest strapper]

OWEN ANTO HAS JUSTED POSTED HES TRIED IT AND WORKS A TREAT Let fanciers do the best for there birds at no cost to them

 

walter i think that bi-carb may cure wet/wettish droppings if there is no evidence of an illness or problem.

but as well as its accepted bi-carb does help to cure some wet droppings...there could be a more serious problem lurking.

no one is saying bi-carb dont work...what is being said is that it doesnt cure illneses that bring on wet droppings.

digestive disorders will make droppings wet...bi-carb will correct this,but if the problem persists then best advice is to have them tested wouldnt you agree?

 

 

 

[walterbmasson]

 

 

strapper certainly but if fanciers start and give them different meds it will destroy birds all i am saying if ive treated say4 weeks before for canker in summer they take wet droppings the first thing i do is give bio carb it hasent failed but if it didnt show signs in2 days i would see about it but up to now thats going on 20 years i give you a simple question would you change a harmless remedy

[Guest bigbok]

bi carb will only improve the ph balance in the gut wall making it more alkaline

[Guest anto]

 

walter i think that bi-carb may cure wet/wettish droppings if there is no evidence of an illness or problem.

but as well as its accepted bi-carb does help to cure some wet droppings...there could be a more serious problem lurking.

no one is saying bi-carb dont work...what is being said is that it doesnt cure illneses that bring on wet droppings.

digestive disorders will make droppings wet...bi-carb will correct this,but if the problem persists then best advice is to have them tested wouldnt you agree?

 

 

 

your right paul he should have them tested but in the mean time its not going to do the birds any harm the bi carb theres

many reasons why the birds can have wet dropings change of weather change of food or change of section or loft hope

he has no real problems but this will help it cost nothing everybody has it at home theres nothing worst than going in to

the loft and finding a mess this has helped me and others it has to be worth a try

 

 

[dwh]

bi-carb is sodium and has a very high salt content and used incorrectly can cause severe diarrhoea having said that it has many medicinal properties and apparrantly can be performance enhancing

[Guest spin cycle]

it's ok going to a vet if you trust their judgement...but i've had 'horror' stories with other animals and huge bills . personally i'll take advice from experienced fanciers before running to the vet ....its a last resort. thats just what i would do. as to this case what are the other symptoms? are the birds hunched up or lethargic? what they been eating ? what colour are the droppings ? have they been moved...or in contact with other birds? these are questions a vet is probably going to ask

[Guest strapper]

 

strapper certainly but if fanciers start and give them different meds it will destroy birds all i am saying if ive treated say4 weeks before for canker in summer they take wet droppings the first thing i do is give bio carb it hasent failed but if it didnt show signs in2 days i would see about it but up to now thats going on 20 years i give you a simple question would you change a harmless remedy

 

i would not change a simple remedy(if it solves that purpose) as i use the same principle.

i have numerous items here to give to the birds but as i have a little knowledge of meds and remedies and illnesses i look at all angles and prepared for all outcomes.

if we are to give out advice i do believe we must let fanciers know that although this may well be put right by bi-carb there could also be a bigger problem that needs to be attended too ,if symptoms persist after giving bi-carb...i think that is fair dont you think?.

 

 

[dwh]

 

i would not change a simple remedy(if it solves that purpose) as i use the same principle.

i have numerous items here to give to the birds but as i have a little knowledge of meds and remedies and illnesses i look at all angles and prepared for all outcomes.

if we are to give out advice i do believe we must let fanciers know that although this may well be put right by bi-carb there could also be a bigger problem that needs to be attended too ,if symptoms persist after giving bi-carb...i think that is fair dont you think?.

 

well said

 

 

[Guest mick bowler]

Young boy id say your problem is the weather, we had a very damp period followed by this cold period and the damp has not had a chance to dry out, same in my loft, few wet droppings but i know birds are ok. Too many worry about wet droppings, only when accompanied by other symptons you should worry.

 

Try giving 100% barley or beans or a mix of 50/50.

[Guest Owen]

Right. I have sat and thought out the advice, "That I should wise up". And now that I am fully wised up, these are my thoughts. You still need to know for sure that your birds do not have parasites or disease. And when you know for certain that they are clear, you can try things like bicarb to correct tummy upsets.

No amount of bocarb will fix serious problems brought on by disease or parasites.

I see that some are concerned with the cost of testing and the risk of being ripped off by a Vet. The answer is to learn how to test yourself. I did. And it was after I had learned how and what to do, I found out just how much Fanciers are being ripped off. Not just by Vets but also by the people who sell all sorts of potions to make your birds super healthy. Read the next bit slowly. There are no short cuts to health. Health is achieved by plodding through the correct procedures to eliminate the various possible causes of the health problems. Those of you that are experienced in keeping racing pigeons are very wrong if you encourage novices to take short cuts. So why not enter into the Christmas Spirit and tell them the truth or show them what to do. That is what Jason, Paul and myself do.

Finally, it will be cheaper to use the services of a good Vet or someone skilled in the use of a microscope then to try to compete with birds that are unhealthy or ill. And we should all try to stop novices treating blindly or using medications at the wrong dose or for an inapproprate length of time.

I hope that has cleared up my postion on this issue.

[dwh]

dead right owen there are short cuts to success and certainly no answers to winning in a bottle

TIME PATIENCE OBSERVATION AND A SLICE OF LUCK!

[Roland]

One big downer is many so called emedies only camaflage the symtoms. That in it's self could lead to more detrimental illness or deseas etc.

Bicarb is for thickering soups in soups and stock lol. So yes the symtom could be covered over, or cured. But one does need to know really just whih is what.

Could it be that the ailment is glassed over, then further down the line treatment needed for another / or same ailment is needed leading to the misgotton idea that it had been cleared up in the first place JMO, and what I feel everyone should take on board.

Another scenario if it becomes a carriers and causes more grief down the line.

I had some clear watery ones this week. Also the clear with a worm look one.

But I have just treated all my birds and now have them on Probotics. I expected droppings to be as such. Now of course the climate will change the droppings in colour / texture etc. etc. Like I say dropping change through the 24 hours EVERY day! In warmer, reliable weather they will become more static and stable of course.

[Guest briancol]

birds hunched up or lethargic.i have 6 that i bought a few months ago,sitting like this.only time they are alert is at feeding time,you'd think they'd never seen food the way a few of them run around with wings open,otherwise they just sit,haunched up,feathers as if they are cold and fed up. 4 09 birds and 2 08. any ideas.

[dwh]

birds hunched up or lethargic.i have 6 that i bought a few months ago,sitting like this.only time they are alert is at feeding time,you'd think they'd never seen food the way a few of them run around with wings open,otherwise they just sit,haunched up,feathers as if they are cold and fed up. 4 09 birds and 2 08. any ideas.

had young birds gifted the same way knew there was something wrong so checked droppings came back worms so used

moxidexin never seen a worm jnfestation as heavy only 3 left  but what nice pigeons

[Guest spin cycle]

Young boy id say your problem is the weather, we had a very damp period followed by this cold period and the damp has not had a chance to dry out, same in my loft, few wet droppings but i know birds are ok. Too many worry about wet droppings, only when accompanied by other symptons you should worry.

 

Try giving 100% barley or beans or a mix of 50/50.

 

given the information posted thus far i agree...and barley or bean/barley mix would be my first move.

[Guest briancol]

had young birds gifted the same way knew there was something wrong so checked droppings came back worms so used

moxidexin never seen a worm jnfestation as heavy only 3 left  but what nice pigeons

 

can you tell me where to buy  moxidectin? ive been searching online but having trouble finding it in the UK.

[Guest frank dooman]

i wouldnt read too much into droppings just now this prelonged damp weather will loosen the dropings are you sure its watery dropings and not just loose with the weather

[Guest youngboy]

i found out the problem!

its worms thanks every1 i found a site by complete fluke and i cant find it anymore and it was a wonder site with picture of dropping and show wat droppings have wat diseases! my ones had worms so thanks for the help anyway evey1