thunderboult Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Posted February 17, 2009 respiratory how would a vet check that is that a throat swab or droppings? as oldyellow said throat swabs. but if you go in the loft and hear sneezing (4/5 in a couple of mins) that should alert you, this is one of the signs(to many birds or not enough ventilation)make changes now, if you leave it go until the wattles are dirty and eye's watery your in the sh*t.
hotrod Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 another thing old yellow there is no date on that test it could have been done anytime even after treatment ;)by the way its gang up on old yellow night tonight all join in lol
Guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 then via the throat swab wrong again the only way to test for wet canker is to do a crop test by inserting a tube down the throat and extract a sample thats the only way
Hogni Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 I just threw out a bag of Furaltadone and a box of chevi-col because they had expired, bought them to be able to be on top if something came up since we don´t have the pigeon vets or drugs here in Iceland, so my answer is of course that i have not used antibiotics for 4 years now and i won´t be throwing my money away again.
hotrod Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 you reading that vet book again, the spellings coming on nicely frank lol ;)keep at it my wee retard
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 wrong again the only way to test for wet canker is to do a crop test by inserting a tube down the throat and extract a sample thats the only way I guess that tube would be same as swab , my vet tests my birds for evertything and im happy with that
Guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 you reading that vet book again, the spellings coming on nicely frank lol ;)keep at it my wee retard OH! thats terrible could be an insult to retards!!!!!!!
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 another thing old yellow there is no date on that test it could have been done anytime even after treatment ;)by the way its gang up on old yellow night tonight all join in lol you can read , date is 10.12.08 , lets see your tests then oh and by the way the code is the daycode so no date needed
Guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 I guess that tube would be same as swab , my vet tests my birds for evertything and im happy with that no its very different the swab is only run round the inside of the mouth the crop sample is taken from the fluids deep in the crop two completely different tests oldyellow you could test for both and get a different result for each
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 im sure my vet tests for everything as i ask and there defra approved and my birds are well looked after cant get any better than a goverment vet that specalises in avian , i may have to watch a bit closer next time i get the birds tested and will ask her
REDCHEQHEN Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 no its very different the swab is only run round the inside of the mouth the crop sample is taken from the fluids deep in the crop two completely different tests oldyellow you could test for both and get a different result for each That is not how a swab test is done long swab - to reach down into the crop - should be used
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 when i have watched swabs previously i hold the bird then vet opens the beak keeps it apart then tilts the head back so the squab reaches into the gullet then this is transfered by scratching a petry dish with a gell where the bacterias / canida can grow , thats my understanding anyway
Guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 That is not how a swab test is done long swab - to reach down into the crop - should be used ok well you go shoving a ridged down your birds throat into the crop its a long way down i will stick to the flexible tube and get a right sample
thunderboult Posted February 17, 2009 Author Report Posted February 17, 2009 That is not how a swab test is done long swab - to reach down into the crop - should be used yes redcheqhen, that's the throat swab test i did last year. and the actual swab is about 6/7 inches long, and i had to send it off in a test tube full of some sort of gel.
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 the gel they call kit a soup solution so the bacterias dont die off
Guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 when i have watched swabs previously i hold the bird then vet opens the beak keeps it apart then tilts the head back so the squab reaches into the gullet then this is transfered by scratching a petry dish with a gell where the bacterias / canida can grow , thats my understanding anyway thats correct thats for canker but wet canker can only be tested by a crop sample two different tests
OLDYELLOW Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 thats correct thats for canker but wet canker can only be tested by a crop sample two different tests ill enquire at next test before racing
Guest IB Posted February 17, 2009 Report Posted February 17, 2009 OK ,right ian ,you have said that most of these treatments are antibiotics ,WHAT one's? I’ve posted previously on this one; pigeon fanciers often don’t realise the substance they are treating their birds with is an antibiotic. This definition helps clarify what an antibiotic is:- ‘anti-infectives derived from bacterial sources used to treat bacterial infections. Other antibiotics may be useful in treating protozoal infections’ http://www.answers.com/topic/antibiotic?cat=health If you have Wim Peter’s Fit to Win 2, pp333 – 357, or have access to the web, first look for the active ingredient in whatever you are using, and then look it up. Many of the active ingredients belong to the same class. So if you are using Cankerex, Flagyl, Meditrich, Spartrix, Tricho, Ridzol Ronidazole, or Harkanka, then you are using an antibiotic, and the same class of antibiotic.(p346) If your canker becomes immune to one of these, then it becomes immune to them all. Levamisole, Ivermectin, Moxidectin are all antibiotic wormers. Sulphonimides are an antibiotic group used in cocci preparations e.g. Coxi. It was a bottle of this that I got from the vet to treat my recent high cocci count. Incidentally, the vet was amazed that the birds didn't have the disease, so they must have built up quite an immunity against it over the years - never treated for cocci before.
thunderboult Posted February 18, 2009 Author Report Posted February 18, 2009 this thread as started quite a debate but not a single person yet as said they've had problems with the birds and they do use antibiotics. is there nobody on here who's had problems and use them?.
OLDYELLOW Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 used Bayril once for respiritry disease changed loft never used anything since
just ask me Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 i do worm and for cocci and cancer and do for respiratory i only do during the racing season never treat birds out of season put them on deep litter in off season completely clean during racing season cleaned twice a day and i think my results are not bad by most standards racing sprint to middle distance with an average of 1800 to 2000 birds im living 20 mile in the wrong direction and am rarely out of top 20 and 90% of the time top 10 ive often got 3 4 birds in the top 10 when there no one around me even in the top 20 or 30 i would imagine and there would be 300 birds going in my area on average i tell pll that come to me to buy this is what i do and it dont bother them as if i bred 150 young ones or more ive had no problem selling have raced these birds like this now for a few years no problems losses well last year with young birds think it was 3 or 4 4 at max old bird losses was 3 also i think my opinion on the subject is through the racing season treat and as natural as possible in off season hasn't done me any harm or the birds what so ever what ever pll have to say at least 95% or more i would imagine of top flyers getting results week in week out treat during the season
pigeonboyuk Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 not my words but of some use maybe?, Wet canker is the most common and serious disease of racing pigeons and stops good pigeons from performing well. And yet often nothing is visible to the fancier in the loft. If a bird is in the clinic, saliva can be aspirated from the throat and examined immediately under the microscope to check for these organisms. If there is a delay in examination the organisms die making their identification difficult. These days canker pouches are available that can be mailed to the vet. Essentially these are small plastic bags with a clip seal full of a nutrient solution that keeps the canker organisms alive. Simply get a clean cotton bud and wipe it around the inside of a pigeons throat and then dip it into the fluid in the bag and stir (not unlike stirring a cup of tea). Remove the cotton bud and seal the canker bag. It will look to you as if there is nothing on the cotton bud but if canker organisms are present there will be many, many of them there and they will be easy for the vet to detect. Repeat the procedure with as many birds as you like and then mail the bag to the vet in the same way as the droppings. do they sell these canker pouches in the UK?
walterbmasson Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 IB I HAVE BEEN RACING BIRDS FOR FORTY YEARS WITH OUT A BREAK BOB WHYTE AND GEORGE RITCHIE WHICH I MY SELF WOULD CLASS THE BEST THERES BEEN AT DISTANCES AND ALL HAVE TREATED BLIND FOR WORMS COCCI AND CANKER BLIND MY MOTTO IF IN DOUBT KEEP IT OUT NO MONEY IS SPARRED WITH ME REGARDING MY BIRDS OLD YELLOW NO NEED TO SHOW CARDS I SPEAK ABOUT THE FAMILY OF BIRDS I FLY WHICH HAS WON SNFC 1ST 2ND 5TH 6TH 7TH 16TH 17TH 18TH 29TH 41ST 46TH 54TH 55TH 58TH 62ND 70TH 78TH 83RD 87TH 93RD 100TH THIS IS OPEN POSITIONS NOT BAD FOR THE SAME FAMILY OF BIRDSSTORM QUEEN OF THE LATE GEORGE RITCHIE INVERALLOCHY AND WE COULD MAME A LOT MORE ONLY MENTIONED 1ST 100 YES THATS BY TREATING EVERY YEAR ONCE IFOR ONE WILL CARRY ON TREATING EVERY YEAR BEFORE PAIRING UP
hotrod Posted February 18, 2009 Report Posted February 18, 2009 ian youyr totally wrong mate most of these are not as you say antibiotics , the come into the cattegory of antimicrobial's and these groups of treatments are protozoicide's ,NOT antibiotics (amoxycillin,ampicillin,chloramphenicol,erythromycin,gentomycin,lincomycin,neomycin,penicillin,quinolone,spectinomycin,spiramycin,streptomycin,tetracyclines,tiamulinand tylosin) these are antbiotics .I have a book as well mate so you can stop with the know it all thing mr vet
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