E-coli Problems Help Advice needed

[Tropicman]

Okay folks me and my dad have just got into this amazing sport this year and after arriving some birds from ireland from my uncle we developed a problem, these birds were infected with an e-coli problem which was determined by a professional pigeon vet, he gave us some medication which he said would cure it after around two weeks now theyve been on the medication 2 days so far and i was just wondering is there any other methods we could use to help with the process ,  we have some other young birds whihc we had from before the birds from ireland arrived and there spot on as they were vacinated for everything the moment we got them as were the irish birds but it was too late but any info will be a massive help i will post pics of the loft etc later on tonight advice would help alot here thanks

[Tony C]

You could mix Gemthepax on their feed BUT I would double check with the Vet first. Dont put anything else in the drinker bar their medication as this could have an affect on how much they drink.

[Guest bigda]

your medication can you  mix  some up, and  syringe through a   straw or  pipe in to  there   gut  and isolate  

[Tropicman]

we cant put them on anymore medication weve been told and there taking the medication alright through the drinkers but they are drinking excessively and are eating quite well to so :/

[Guest]

if the vet gave you a treatment dont try anything else

as it may react with it and nulify the treatment

let it run the 2 weeks and see how they are

good luck

 

 

dave

 

 

[greenlands]

If he gave you an antibiotic,which i'm sure he would ,did he advise you to remove any grit or minerals,if not I would remove them.Lindsay

[Tropicman]

cheers dave

[Tropicman]

no he didnt and today they were goulping the grit down more than normal :/

[greenlands]

I beleive calcium counteracts some antibiotics and would render the treatment useless.

[Tropicman]

so should we remove the grit ? or shall we just put it in when there feeding and remove when we would remove the feed?

[greenlands]

Just my opinion ,I would remove it.When i'm treating my birds for anything I remove the grit.Lindsay

ps.Have a read through this ,it's a good site.

 

http://www.auspigeonco.com.au/

 

[wee mac]

remove all grit as the medicen will stick to the grit and the bird gets no goodnes from it

[Guest strapper]

if you require a medication for this then try belgamco..around £16 from belgica de weert..spelling?

in the homing world...give paul smith a ring..see what he can do for you....most vet products are only what they can give you under license.

but dont for any reason mix two medications for same problem.

[Guest]

Greenlands, yes 100%  correct mate, anything with a high level of calcium will nullify the medication.

 

 

[pjc]

lets guess, vets given you Baytril? What after care has he prescribed?

[john nico]

what did the vet give you 2 treat them

[Guest IB]

As far as I know, only one class of antibiotic binds with calcium, so unless its a tetracycline, grit & minerals shouldn't affect the medication.

 

I'd stick with the vet's advice, that's what you paid him for; after the antibiotic course is finished, a probiotic will restore the gut friendly bacteria and you should be back to normal.

[Guest Freebird]

Boil the water and let cool or let stand overnight to remove chlorine etc. before mixing in med.

[Guest Owen]

There are lots of things you can try to help you avoid this disease. But, as you have been advised, remove the grit and carry on with the medication your Vet prescribed. If you have any doubts about their progress, contact the Vet again. If the birds have been scouring it would be a good idea to give them electrolites in the water, because a side effect of loose droppings is the loss of essential salts from the body. That is why they eat the grit. Unfortunately the normal grit will nulify the effects of the antibiotics.

When the medication finishes, make sure you have them on multivits for at least a week and give them a probiotic every day for ten days. Gemthepax, live yogurt, all or any will do the job. From now on you need to keep their gut slightly acid. E coli can not live in acidic conditions. Apple cider vinegar will do that for you, but don't over do the strength you use. A table spoon to the gallon is OK.

Another way of ensuring that they get probiotics is to keep them on dry droppings. But I must emphasis that the droppings must be dry.

As they get well, give them a variety of grits and minerals to help them regain their health and fitness.

I hope that helps

Owen

[just ask me]

flight - path after antibiotics it has the contents of avian gut flora and that exactly what u are trying to replace surely one of the best products to come out in years especially for this job

[Guest bigda]

i think we are getting more of a problem now than we did before,  is all down to the wheelie

bins,  before rats and mice had  more access, to the rubbish in bin bags in your garden, and  now that the  wheat and barley parks are barren, we will get more visitors at this time of year,  the town coups are to getting more modern in the way they handle waste, and cover the land fill sight in more quickely, that they used to,   with the rats  moving home to where the feeding is easy to get at and maybe your shed is the perfect host :-/

[Roland]

If you go to the doctors, and then take no notice of his advice and treatment, most would say you are .... Lets say foolhardy at least and may well wonder just why you went to him in the first place :-/ :-/

Likewise the vets' let him do his job.... JMO

[pjc]

If you go to the doctors, and then take no notice of his advice and treatment, most would say you are .... Lets say foolhardy at least and may well wonder just why you went to him in the first place :-/ :-/

Likewise the vets' let him do his job.... JMO

 

 

I agree to a point!

Time and time again we here about advice suposidly given by avian vets but when asked they have never given advice on removal of grit and after care etc!

When we go and see a doctor we get continued advice along with repeat visits which is what we would expect.

So realy how good are these "Avian Experts"?

 

[Tropicman]

Sorry I didnt reply guys went offline the medication he subscribed was cyberfloxin for 7 days then a day of normal food and water then start another 7 days on tromexin then introduce some pro-biotics to get the goodness back into the pigeon.

[Guest Owen]

Sounds to me as if he knows what he is doing after all.