Paratyphoid Injection

[ribble]

Hi,

can anyone let me know were i can buy a live Paratyphoid vaccine from?

PM's if you would like.

[robbiedoo.]

i,m sure derek rooney sells one called para-coli youll get his number in the bhw

[Daisymay]

I think only vets can administer LIVE vaccines

[Guest The main Mahon]

I don't think you can get a vaccine in the UK. You can however have a vaccine imported from USA from Ganus called Sal-Bac. I think its about $40 for the vaccine and $40 for shipping it over to the UK. Type Sal-Bac into a Google search and I'm sure you'll find it.

[Guest IB]

Live vaccines are not authorised for use in UK. Colombovac do a dead one called Paratyphus, available here.

[Guest Doade]

Chevi-vac-s is a good one. A few guys have used it here in the UK and it is a live vaccine

[jakjak]

save your money

[demolition man]

Hi,

can anyone let me know were i can buy a live Paratyphoid vaccine from?

PM's if you would like.

 

i think meditec or pigeon pharmacy sell it the advertise in both pigeon mags

[holmsidelofts]

save your money

 

on what basis can you say that, Its one of the most prevalent diseases in the pigeon world with most lofts at some point having carries in there birds, its kill rate is higher than PMV and will in my opinion take over from PMV as being the disease to watch out for.

I use the chevi-vac which is a live vaccine.

 

Watch this space over the next couple of years the sport will be hit hard by it. More and more cases every year are being diagnosed

Birds that are carries dont even show any symptoms. Take your chances if you want but for £50 its saves a lots of birds lives and if you get it your seasons over.

 

Jas.

 

[jakjak]

 

on what basis can you say that, Its one of the most prevalent diseases in the pigeon world with most lofts at some point having carries in there birds, its kill rate is higher than PMV and will in my opinion take over from PMV as being the disease to watch out for.

I use the chevi-vac which is a live vaccine.

 

Watch this space over the next couple of years the sport will be hit hard by it. More and more cases every year are being diagnosed

Birds that are carries dont even show any symptoms. Take your chances if you want but for £50 its saves a lots of birds lives and if you get it your seasons over.

 

Jas.

 

Simple, I believe in Natural Immunity,

and furthermore, I would never pump that into my pigeons, especially at £50.

Its my belief that we only have so many diseases now because of fanciers using antibiotics as preventatives.

If I have an ill pigeon, I send it to pigeon heaven. I dont mess about with isolation and medicines, because the pigeon will never be any use for anything.

If anyone asked me about the parathythoid injection I would urge them to save their money.

Zero Tolerance is operated here.

JMO

Thanks

[Delboy]

 

Simple, I believe in Natural Immunity,

and furthermore, I would never pump that into my pigeons, especially at £50.

Its my belief that we only have so many diseases now because of fanciers using antibiotics as preventatives.

If I have an ill pigeon, I send it to pigeon heaven. I dont mess about with isolation and medicines, because the pigeon will never be any use for anything.

If anyone asked me about the parathythoid injection I would urge them to save their money.

Zero Tolerance is operated here.

JMO

Thanks

 

Well said m8, my thoughts exactly. If pigeon fanciers hadnt jagged against PMV then our birds would have overcome the disease naturally. Mother nature would have made sure of that and now we have paratyphoid vaccinations getting forced on us. I m not condemning treating with anything if needed but it must be needed first. JMO

[Chris Little]

Whats the difference between live and dead vaccines

[holmsidelofts]

 

Simple, I believe in Natural Immunity,

and furthermore, I would never pump that into my pigeons, especially at £50.

Its my belief that we only have so many diseases now because of fanciers using antibiotics as preventatives.

If I have an ill pigeon, I send it to pigeon heaven. I dont mess about with isolation and medicines, because the pigeon will never be any use for anything.

If anyone asked me about the parathythoid injection I would urge them to save their money.

Zero Tolerance is operated here.

JMO

Thanks

 

No amount of natural immunity will keep birds safe from bacterial or viral infections, thats why its compulsory here in the uk to vaccinate for PMV. secondly vaccinations are not antibiotics, they are cultures of the actual disease which assists the bird in over coming these diseases and they boost the immunity of the bird they are given to. If you catch it you wont need to kill them the disease will do that for you. just ask the numerous fanciers on this site who have been unlucky and caught salmonella, its a devastating disease to catch. As for the price to vaccinate you cant put a price on good health, i like many spend thousands a year on racing, no just on fees everyweek but on corn, training, rearing, you are entitled to your opinion but to me £50 is nothing compared to what i will spend throughout the season ( just one night less out the ale for some people will pay for it).

Good luck for the coming season jmo,

I hope you never have the pleasure of your birds coming down with salmonella.

 

Jas.

 

 

[holmsidelofts]

Whats the difference between live and dead vaccines

 

As it says live vaccine contains actual live cultures of the salmonella bacteria and the dead one as cultures that have been killed.

In my opinion the live vaccine is better and you only have to vaccinate once a year with the live one, with the dead one you have to do it again in 6 months.

 

Jas

[holmsidelofts]

 

Well said m8, my thoughts exactly. If pigeon fanciers hadnt jagged against PMV then our birds would have overcome the disease naturally. Mother nature would have made sure of that and now we have paratyphoid vaccinations getting forced on us. I m not condemning treating with anything if needed but it must be needed first. JMO

 

Sorry mate i have to disagree, Thats like saying leave AIDS alone and we will naturally get over it, Virus's   and bacteria kills millions of people every year and they have done for 1000's of years leaving them doesnt make them go away. Try telling all the people around the world in 3rd world countries who rely on vaccinations to keep them alive. If it wasnt for the PMV vaccine being developed we would not have any birds to race with, back in the 80's the sport was devastated by PMV. We have seen an increase already with cases on PMV coming back and thats because there are irresponsible people out there who dont vaccinate. Again until you see the devastation first hand of what PMV does ( i've had it in the 80's and its aweful) you are then thankfull for these vaccines.

We are not forcing paratyphoid vaccines on you its your choice at the moment, but if it the disease does get out of control we will probably end up with a compulsory vaccination.

 

But everyones entitled to have there opnion.

 

jas

 

[pigeonpete]

After having parathyhoid in 2006 i would never be with out it   Would never want to see birds like that again  

[Delboy]

 

Sorry mate i have to disagree, Thats like saying leave AIDS alone and we will naturally get over it, Virus's   and bacteria kills millions of people every year and they have done for 1000's of years leaving them doesnt make them go away. Try telling all the people around the world in 3rd world countries who rely on vaccinations to keep them alive. If it wasnt for the PMV vaccine being developed we would not have any birds to race with, back in the 80's the sport was devastated by PMV. We have seen an increase already with cases on PMV coming back and thats because there are irresponsible people out there who dont vaccinate. Again until you see the devastation first hand of what PMV does ( i've had it in the 80's and its aweful) you are then thankfull for these vaccines.

We are not forcing paratyphoid vaccines on you its your choice at the moment, but if it the disease does get out of control we will probably end up with a compulsory vaccination.

 

But everyones entitled to have there opnion.

 

jas

 

 

You ve read it wrong m8.What Im saying is, dont use it until you need to. You wouldnt take an aspirin if you hadnt a sore head. By the way, Ive had salmonella in my loft and know the script about the disease. Another misconception in the pigeon world is that PMV is the worst disease you can get. Wrong, torticollus of the neck is a very unsightly thing but if the pigeon manages to eat and drink then it overcomes the disease very easily. Paratyphoid is as bad as PMV imo.

[Guest IB]

I agree with vaccination but there must be a reason for doing it, and it must be done in accordance with the law of the land.

 

PMV is compulsory, it's still around as confirmed by the outbreaks [2] recently reported on this forum.

 

Paratyphoid is different, if there have been confirmed outbreaks in your area or fed, yes, I agree with vaccination. If it is a problem in your area or fed then others outside it don't appear to know very much about it, we have a right to know, and keeping things like that 'secret' serves no purpose. Relate that to human health issues, if foreign countries kept disease outbreaks or prevalence 'secret' we'd hardly be in a position to know what 'jabs' we should be getting to keep us protected should we get exposed to these 'secret' diseases when visiting that country. And that is my main point, if you are not going to come into contact with the disease, no point in vaccinating against it..

 

The only authorised types of vaccine in Britain are killed vaccines. I don't know much about live ones, other than they are considered more dangerous for the animal, but I don't know why. Might be worthwhile trying to find that out?

 

Natural immunity in animals works like a blank canvas. If the immune system meets something new, it draws a picture of it, then creates a soldier specially equipped to deal with that new organism [an antibody] no matter what that organism is, virus, bacteria, fungus, mould, yeast etc. We ourselves must encounter millions of new things in our lives, very few have any affect on us. Thats natural immunity at work.

[holmsidelofts]

 

Well said m8, my thoughts exactly. If pigeon fanciers hadnt jagged against PMV then our birds would have overcome the disease naturally. Mother nature would have made sure of that and now we have paratyphoid vaccinations getting forced on us. I m not condemning treating with anything if needed but it must be needed first. JMO

 

Sorry mate i have to disagree, Thats like saying leave AIDS alone and we will naturally get over it, Virus's   and bacteria kills millions of people every year and they have done for 1000's of years leaving them doesnt make them go away. Try telling all the people around the world in 3rd world countries who rely on vaccinations to keep them alive. If it wasnt for the PMV vaccine being developed we would not have any birds to race with, back in the 80's the sport was devastated by PMV. We have seen an increase already with cases on PMV coming back and thats because there are irresponsible people out there who dont vaccinate. Again until you see the devastation first hand of what PMV does ( i've had it in the 80's and its aweful) you are then thankfull for these vaccines.

We are not forcing paratyphoid vaccines on you its your choice at the moment, but if it the disease does get out of control we will probably end up with a compulsory vaccination.

 

But everyones entitled to have there opnion.

 

jas

 

[holmsidelofts]

 

 

You ve read it wrong m8.What Im saying is, dont use it until you need to. You wouldnt take an aspirin if you hadnt a sore head. By the way, Ive had salmonella in my loft and know the script about the disease. Another misconception in the pigeon world is that PMV is the worst disease you can get. Wrong, torticollus of the neck is a very unsightly thing but if the pigeon manages to eat and drink then it overcomes the disease very easily. Paratyphoid is as bad as PMV imo.

 

Vaccination is a preventative not a cure, theres no pint in vaccinating once you have it, the vaccine is there to prevent you catching it in the first place. Its different to your asprin analogy,  you wouldnt take it if you didnt have it, the same as i wouldnt condone use of antibotics if there was nothing wrong, salmonella is a killer, and if you have had it you will now that. so unfortunately with these type of disease you either vaccinate or you pay the price heavily, I have £1000's worth of stock birds which you couldnt breed again and i will not take any risks with them. Prevention is ALWAYS better than a cure.

 

jas.

[Bugsy]

Agree with Jas, as an example children are given MMR vaccine's because the virus's are killers and therefore the vaccine is used as a preventive and saves a lot of children from becoming ill or even dying. During my pigeon career I have never mistreated or abused the use of antibiotics or anything else, but have to agree that paratyphoid is becoming a problem and I know a lot of top flyers who inject each year for peace of mind, plus they also state they have no or very little trouble with Y/B sickness.

 

John B.

[holmsidelofts]

Agree with Jas, as an example children are given MMR vaccine's because the virus's are killers and therefore the vaccine is used as a preventive and saves a lot of children from becoming ill or even dying. During my pigeon career I have never mistreated or abused the use of antibiotics or anything else, but have to agree that paratyphoid is becoming a problem and I know a lot of top flyers who inject each year for peace of mind, plus they also state they have no or very little trouble with Y/B sickness.

 

John B.

 

Hi john, long time no speak. how you keeping mate. Missing the birds at all.

Good to here from you.

 

Jason edwards.

 

[Bugsy]

Keeping well Jas, not missing birds as I have been a silent partner with Williams Bros of Tredegar since I sold the birds and enjoying it very much, plus he bought most of my top pigeons therefore a little bit like home from home. Anyway back to this bl@@dy thing called Paratyphoid, I was in the company of one of the world's best fanciers(Belgian) last Friday night  and he said they leave absolutely nothing to chance in terms of the pigeons health and Paratyphoid is undoubtedly one of the most (if not the most) feared diseases on the continent. From my experiences I would most certainly recommend trying to prevent it rather than having to try a cure.

 

John B.

[ribble]

Whats the difference between live and dead vaccines

I have been told that you only have to jab once with a live vaccine to get 12 months protection, i say protection but they could still get it.

I have also been reading about Zoosal T, has anyone used this?

 

 

[Guest cowboy]

Background: Caused by Salmonella typhimurium var, Copenhagen; it is a gram-negative rod shaped bacteria. Paratyphoid is probably the most common and important bacterial disease in pigeons. It is often subclinical (not apparent) in adults and an acute fatal disease in squabs.

 

Adult subclinically infected birds remain carriers and are a souce of infection to young birds. Transmission is orally and via eggs. Outbreaks are often seen in the breeding loft late in the breeding season.

 

Signs: Squabs -- death in the shell, retarded growth, dying in the nest at 5-10 days of age, pin feathers don't open, diarrhea, lameness at weaning, it is possible for only one of two youngsters in a nest to be infected.

 

Older birds: Poor performance, acute death (especially in cocks), thickened joints, dropped wings, wing "boils", lameness, unable to fly, severe weight loss, diarrhea, reproductive problems, torticollis, opistothonus (twisted heads).

 

Diagnosis: Bacterial culture-tetrathionate or selenite enrichment broth onto brilliant green agar from intestinal or crop contents.

 

Serology: agglutination test; cavvinated birds will react positive; subclinical carriers can test negative.

 

Necropsy: gut ulceration, lung abcesses, mucopurulent arthritis; liver, spleen, pancreatic abcesses, hepato-splenomegaly (could be only finding), purulent meningitis, degeneration or inflammation of ovary or testis.

 

Treatment: Antibiotic therapy determined by culture and sensitivity. Effective antibiotics may include: Enrofloxacin, Ciprofloxacin, Trimethoprim, Trimethoprim/Sulfa, Amoxicillin, Cephalexin, Nitrofurazone, Sodium Sulfachlorpyridazine.

 

Treat for minimum of 10 days.

 

The use of a quinolone such as enrofloxacin or ciprofloxacin for 30 days may eliminate infection in subclinical carriers.

 

Prevention: Rodent Control -- if a loft has a rodent problem, it most likely has a Salmonella problem. Loft sanitation and/or acidification of loft litter may help control it in the environment. Quarantine new birds and those returning from shows and races for 14 days. Screen birds with serology and bacterial culture. The organism can be hard to grow from live birds. Subclinical carriers may be intermittent shedders and be the source of infection in a loft.

 

Vaccination: About 70% effective, its use is recommended. It is often given at the same time as PMV-1 vaccination. A booster vaccination 2 weeks after initial vaccination is recommended. Vaccination at 6 month intervals is probably a good idea in lofts with a documented Salmonella problem.