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[holmsidelofts]

 

how many times do we  see regimes offered  that recommends a flock treatment b4 and after racing

of some sort of medicine apparently endorsed by avet or avian specialist so is this right ir wrong?

 

I dont believe in blind treatment, but if a bird is ill or has picked up a parasite it must be treated. thats why its important to get regular droppings tests and get a good avian vet who can give you advice. birds that are carrying disease or parasites like worms, canker, high levels of cocci, respiratory disease will never be able to compete against good birds that are disease free. You shouldnt really have to use antibiotics at all really. unless you pick up respiratory disease, salmonella, ecoli etc and these diseases can to a degree be kept at bay by good management and a good dry loft. Sure you cant get away from it once you mix birds with others thats why a good health program is so important. most things you will treat regularly is cocci and canker and sometimes worm infections. get Dr colin Walkers book called the flying vets pigeon health and management. Its £35 but you will save yourself lots by fully understanding pigeon health. blind treatment shouldnt be required.

 

 

 

 

[dwh]

 

I dont believe in blind treatment, but if a bird is ill or has picked up a parasite it must be treated. thats why its important to get regular droppings tests and get a good avian vet who can give you advice. birds that are carrying disease or parasites like worms, canker, high levels of cocci, respiratory disease will never be able to compete against good birds that are disease free. You shouldnt really have to use antibiotics at all really. unless you pick up respiratory disease, salmonella, ecoli etc and these diseases can to a degree be kept at bay by good management and a good dry loft. Sure you cant get away from it once you mix birds with others thats why a good health program is so important. most things you will treat regularly is cocci and canker and sometimes worm infections. get Dr colin Walkers book called the flying vets pigeon health and management. Its £35 but you will save yourself lots by fully understanding pigeon health. blind treatment shouldnt be required.

 

 

 

 

CHEERS M8

[blackdog]

What you have to remember the sport has moved on a huge amount back in the 60's 70's three were very little birds on the day from 400 miles

 

agree with this statement, these days people are clocking for fun but years ago you were lucky to get one on the day

[benji]

in my opinion natural form  is the best a good one never takes sick . BUT if sick yes cure it. if its not broke dont try to fix it

[Guest redlad24]

where can you get redcell?

[holmsidelofts]

in my opinion natural form  is the best a good one never takes sick . BUT if sick yes cure it. if its not broke dont try to fix it

 

Any bird can become sick if exposed to disease, no amount of natural form will stop that, but you are right if its sick cure it.

 

 

[Guest IB]

Just wanted to add recollections from racing in 1960's. Competition was every bit as keen and performances included day pigeons at 300+ 400+ and 500+ miles, on the day was always the target.

 

Sick pigeons were the exception. And yes they were disposed of. Double edged sword, nobody really knew much about pigeon diseases, but there wasn't any need to, there were very few about in those days as eradication was an end reult of culling sick stock.

[pigeonscout]

A bird without canker will fly beter than the same bird with canker. This can also be said of a bird if it had respiratory, worms, para, mineral, vitamin deficiency ect ect.

So products /Meds do have a role to play, the trick is knowing when and how to use them.

[VMS]

Cough and your off/bucket,unless it has scored from 500 miles.JMO.

[ALF]

Cough and your off/bucket,unless it has scored from 500 miles.JMO.

 

i'll need to tell Wullie that and you'll be in the bucket in a fortnight's time :P :P

[VMS]

 

i'll need to tell Wullie that and you'll be in the bucket in a fortnight's time :P :P

 

One off his philosophies that i have adopted mate, a wise man.

[ALF]

 

One off his philosophies that i have adopted mate, a wise man.

 

aye he'll need a bigger bucket ;) :P :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

[VMS]

 

aye he'll need a bigger bucket ;) :P :P ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

 

Hey laughing boy have you spoke to your mate about the Black jets yet. ;D ;D :X :X :X

[BLACK W F]

 

dont think so alan every thing has changed since then . its the same as the mixtures nearly every fanceir fed the same now a days every fanceir feeds different . all that medicine crap is just in the fashion with some jmo .

 

ROBBIE  WE WAS FEEDING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TO WHAT OTHER GUYS WHERE FEEDING  

FOR EXAMPLE WE USED SULPHERMICYN  LONG BEFOR E OTHER GUYS NEW OWT ABOUT IT

JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBURGH  

[robbiedoo.]

Just wanted to add recollections from racing in 1960's. Competition was every bit as keen and performances included day pigeons at 300+ 400+ and 500+ miles, on the day was always the target.

 

Sick pigeons were the exception. And yes they were disposed of. Double edged sword, nobody really knew much about pigeon diseases, but there wasn't any need to, there were very few about in those days as eradication was an end reult of culling sick stock.

 

so do you agree there is no need to pump all the crap that some fanceirs put into their pigeons for no reason at all .me personaly i,m not into all the crap that some of them use its just a fashion thing if he dose it i will do it aswell . the first my doos will see is a canker tablet in may but some fanceirs have spent a fortune on all this different kinds of stuff that is doing their doos no good at all . hense the reason the first hard race and they get clattered and whos to blame yes the race controler or driver the doos havent been watered any excuse apart from the mirror jmo

[dwh]

ITS THE SAME NOW AS IT WAS THEN THE BEST FANCIERS HAD THE BEST BIRDS & BEST SYSTEM  KNOWING WHAT TO FEED AND HOW TO USE WHAT WAS AVAILABLE

[robbiedoo.]

 

ROBBIE  WE WAS FEEDING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TO WHAT OTHER GUYS WHERE FEEDING  

FOR EXAMPLE WE USED SULPHERMICYN  LONG BEFOR E OTHER GUYS NEW OWT ABOUT IT

JUST THE TIP OF THE ICEBURGH  

 

well alan was speaking to irvin buchan tonight about this thread and he is the same opinion as myself . not being disrespectful but me personaly i would rather take advice from the old school with a proven record to back it up jmo

[pigeonscout]

Cough and your off/bucket,unless it has scored from 500 miles.JMO.

 

Could you explain the reason for this.

[BLACK W F]

 

so do you agree there is no need to pump all the crap that some fanceirs put into their pigeons for no reason at all .me personaly i,m not into all the crap that some of them use its just a fashion thing if he dose it i will do it aswell . the first my doos will see is a canker tablet in may but some fanceirs have spent a fortune on all this different kinds of stuff that is doing their doos no good at all . hense the reason the first hard race and they get clattered and whos to blame yes the race controler or driver the doos havent been watered any excuse apart from the mirror jmo

 

Robbie  times have not changed that much i will treat for canker coxi and worms  before i pair  as normal   and  i will treat my y/bs the same a month to 3 wks before racing and thats it i will vac  and vac my y/bs for parrat aswell    but others will do what they want and thats up to them

[robbiedoo.]

ITS THE SAME NOW AS IT WAS THEN THE BEST FANCIERS HAD THE BEST BIRDS & BEST SYSTEM  KNOWING WHAT TO FEED AND HOW TO USE WHAT WAS AVAILABLE

 

i think thats the secret you cant buy a good doo from the chemist shop

[BLACK W F]

 

well alan was speaking to irvin buchan tonight about this thread and he is the same opinion as myself . not being disrespectful but me personaly i would rather take advice from the old school with a proven record to back it up jmo

 

i could say some thing here but wont but i will pm you

[robbiedoo.]

 

Robbie  times have not changed that much i will treat for canker coxi and worms  before i pair  as normal   and  i will treat my y/bs the same a month to 3 wks before racing and thats it i will vac  and vac my y/bs for parrat aswell    but others will do what they want and thats up to them

 

alan i,m not knocking you but why treat for all that . each to their own but i cant see the point of it why treat for cocci is your doos dont have cocci sorry but i,m baffled .

[dwh]

 

well alan was speaking to irvin buchan tonight about this thread and he is the same opinion as myself . not being disrespectful but me personaly i would rather take advice from the old school with a proven record to back it up jmo

 

Does anyone think that if you reverted back to flying the way they flew in the 60's you win more or less  :

[VMS]

 

Could you explain the reason for this.

 

Natural immunity.But if the pigeon  has proven itself at the highest level then it will be giving a chance.But only the once.

[Guest stb-]

 

Does anyone think that if you reverted back to flying the way they flew in the 60's you win more or less  :

 

YOU MAY GO BACK TO THE DAYS WHEN dORCHESTER  WAS A 2 DAY RACE AT 360MLS :X :X :X

 

AND ONLY THE ONES WHO TREATED BUT SAID THEY DIDNT WOULD WIN

 

THE REST DIDNT NO MUCH ABOUT IT :X :X :X :X