YOUR BEST BREEDERS

[Guest frank dooman]

I don't think there is a magic formula otherwise we would all have lofts full of champions, as the other post says. I would give an arm for a channel winner, but I'd give an arm and a leg for a bird that has multiple channel positions.  

 

The pigeon I regard as my stock cock raced only as a YB, he flew the young bird programme and the YB National. He in turn is down from a hen that has multiple channel positions. So the potential was there in theory [birds pedigree] and practice [birds performance]. There were 2 blank years, barren / old hen, but each year I tried him mostly with a yearling hen having a distance background, brought in specially for him. I usually took 6 off them and raced the youngsters ~ 'progeny testing' ~ and in most cases I lost them long before I got them to the channel races. Reckon that wasn't all down to poor quality pigeons though, a lot of that was down to me learning the ropes. Yes you learn though your mistakes, but it loses a lot of pigeons, and they can't all be bad. Started racing in 2003 and it was 2009 before I got to race the channel got 4 home, 3 x 2 y-o and a yearling, all related to that cock paired with 3 different hens .

 

your right ian there are many things that can be the  downfall of novices from not knowing what they are doing (how to set them up ) to just madness so he will only know long after he has made the mistake and proberbly killed or got rid of the stock birds only to find out it was prob.us that were bad not the stock thats why its prob. best for a novice to go winner to winner i think thats much safer

[BLACK W F]

i new a lad swore by breeding from his yearlings he had no stock birds but ave 16- 20 x1st a season   so who,s to say whats right or wrong

[Roland]

One of my best beeders was called Eighty Three,  I sent him training from 3mls to 15mls he would take days to come home,

 

because he was bred well and brother to many good winners, i put him to stock, mind you he had fantastic eye and handled like a dream, .

 

Eighty Three went on to breed myself and others a host of winners,againt 5,000 plus birds, but struggled to get home from a short toss.  

 

Regards Bernie

 

Had a great looking Red Chequer like that. 4 days to do 40 miles.

When I mentioned this at club meetings I was ribbed cronic, 'A lead wanter' - Wanted a bit put n it's ear with a 4 10'. Never homed on the day hardly from a training toss. Only ever had one night away in 8 years as a racers, a Bad Thurso.

Used to ask why that 'Lead Wanter' had beaten theirs yet again lol. Bred.... Nowt.

[Guest cloudview]

in theory you should breed off everything in the loft , as you  never know where the the next champion is going to come from .

i know alot of fanciers cound,nt possibly do this ,as space is a priority.

this last 2 seasons ive cut down buying other peoples birds for stock and select from race team birds which give me that feeling , its hard to explain in words , gut feeling is the best way to describe it

[boxer]

The answer to this one is quite simple and I will give an example as the answer, I bought a direct daughter of champion Rainstorm from louella and she became our number one stock pigeon and bred multiple winners at the very highest level (fed and national). Champion Rainstorm was bred in 1975 and he was bred from a 1975 Y/B and bought by Massarella along with the other first Verheye introductions(how many would buy a y/b from a y/b) . The daughter of Rainstorm we bought bred our Champion racer 'National Man' a winner of 3rd Nat 410 miles, 8th Nat 410 miles and 10th Nat 322 miles, National Man is the Sire, G.sire, G.G.Sire of hundreds of winners including 3 x 1st National(his full brother won 9 x 1st). Now if you consider how this started with a  y/b bred from a y/b to produce 'Rainstorm' then you can clearly see that both untried and tried will breed you winners, the trick is to have the stock sense to select for breeding and the ability to race them, quite simply thats what separates fanciers, always has done and always will because today just about every fancier in the country has access to good and well bred pigeons.

 

John Burgham  (hope this example helps)

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was she a gay pied  

 

 

[Roland]

in theory you should breed off everything in the loft , as you  never know where the the next champion is going to come from .

i know alot of fanciers cound,nt possibly do this ,as space is a priority.

this last 2 seasons ive cut down buying other peoples birds for stock and select from race team birds which give me that feeling , its hard to explain in words , gut feeling is the best way to describe it

 

I agree with that 1005. you either have it in abundance, or very little, or none at all lol.

[Guest ROCKYandRAMBO]

i like to breed off pigeons that have been raced , most off my breeders are winners on the road and they are breeding winners , how ever one of my best racers who had 12 firsts and fed wins couldnt breed any thing but his brothers who only had 6 firsts each where very gd breeders also have another cock who is a very gd racer but every year i try two off him but i always lose them off the loft . but my personal prefrence is to breed off winning pigeons

[bird man of meath]

i am only new to raceing but when i got the birds was told to breed off every thing

what 's left at the end will let me know if pairing was right

[Guest gladdo]

thats madness as some of the people i know and there best breeders never raced at all and never seen a basket and they breed winners all the time.... mikey

[bird man of meath]

thats madness as some of the people i know and there best breeders never raced at all and never seen a basket and they breed winners all the time.... mikey

 

that for me????

[Guest bigda]

it is the only way to go for every flier,  your best to the best you have but, i would say its the best you will get from the third year breading from  the same  pair,  its all to do with settlement to your  loft.  how happy the birds are in yer shed, but winner to winner or near as dam  to  it,  in everyones lofts and you will have your own family of birds   flying for you  and you only. so  stop chopping and changing  get the  birds that are scoring in your area only,  get  one new bird in every year that beats you,  to strengthen  from around you  no where  else  

[pigeon pete57]

  my best pair of stock birds were bought by chance at blackpool.walked into an auction and bidded for a bird i had not seen.mate said what have you got isaid dont know but i will get a mate for it . the pair cost me 65 pounds and have bredwinners every year since 0 5   and every bird of them that gets past young bird trainig has scored  club fed or classic    peter

[jimmy white]

often a very hit and miss thing ,,breeding,,, pairing the best to the best seems the most logical way, but doesnt always produce winners,, i have a [this year] 12 year old hen , never raced, bred winners quite regularly with different cocks 3 prize winners last year at 11 years old ,, [the hen never reared them], although i would never go for aged stock birds, this bird seems to be an" exception to the rule" im now wondering if she will fill her eggs this year

[jimmy white]

often a very hit and miss thing ,,breeding,,, pairing the best to the best seems the most logical way, but doesnt always produce winners,, i have a [this year] 12 year old hen , never raced, bred winners quite regularly with different cocks 3 prize winners last year at 11 years old ,, [the hen never reared them], although i would never go for aged stock birds, this bird seems to be an" exception to the rule" im now wondering if she will fill her eggs this year

 

her sire is sir colin 2cnd nat. nantes when paired to a daughter of angus nelsons 3 nat. nantes

[Guest youngboy]

jimmy i say she will! i had and hen she only died recently at the age of 17 years old and only up until last year she stop fillin! but i never bred from here only let her rare other young1s!! i also have another 17 years cock pigeon and he filled all his eggs last year! i took one round off him with a yearling hen to see whhat they be like i didn race them but i will say prob the were ugly ybs! but now they are absalute crackers of pigeons great eye and handling wise! im thinkin about racing one and breed of the other?

[gjbentley]

I had a pigeon bl.cock won 13 firsts never bred a thing.

[kingbilly2]

I have read on the forum that we should not breed of pigeons that have not won races as this is the cause of so many losses,what are other members thoughts on this,what birds do you choose as stock and why,are your best breeders birds that have been your  best racers.

 

thare would be a short number of rings requiered if wee only breed of winers ;D ;D ;D

[robbiedoo.]

i ve a doo with 6 1st she is 5 years old and never bread nothing to do anything . also have a hen that i took 2 youngsters off last year i gave them both away 1 won 2 races for a club mate and the other won from 195 mile for a fanceir down in fife shows what i know about the doos.

[kingbilly2]

i ve a doo with 6 1st she is 5 years old and never bread nothing to do anything . also have a hen that i took 2 youngsters off last year i gave them both away 1 won 2 races for a club mate and the other won from 195 mile for a fanceir down in fife shows what i know about the doos.

 

your the man  ;D ;D ;D ;D