Guest vander mungo Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 these are good birds,pearson and dranfield, spring to mind,corbets,and billy parkes. but who has originals from george. told astory years ago that he bought youngsters of a fellow fancier then sold them on as his own dont know if this is true or not,but would like to know who has his originals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 mine go back to red 20 and little black, red 20 was a grandaughter of a full sister to champion pluto so could say mine go back to the originals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bakes Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 The strain makers - Georges Busschaert Written by: Alan Wheeldon If you were asked which pigeon fancier had the greatest impact on the racing pigeon scene in Britain, who would it be? Well one very strong contender must be Georges Busschaert. There cannot be a fancier in Britain that has never had a Busschaert pigeon in their loft. The strain seems timeless, even now there are many fanciers that still keep and race Busschaert pigeons, and with great success. When you think that George Busschaert first came to this country over thirty years ago, it is a great testament to his pigeons that they are still being raced today. How did it come about that this strain of pigeons could have such an impact on the racing scene in Britain? It all started over 90 years ago. George Busschaert was born in 1911 in St Lodewijk-Deerlijk in Belgium. His father was a pigeon fancier and inevitably he soon got the bug. His other Brothers Andre and Marcel were also keenly interested as was his sister Alice. George’s first name was really Remi but he preferred to be called George and it soon stuck. George went into partnership racing with his new brother-in-law Albert Nuttyens who had married George’s sister Alice. They bought several birds at auction, a mealy Commines and a pigeon called Tito from Hector Baele of Scheldewinke. They bought De Plattekop from Vandevelde and sons and daughters out of ‘The Coppi’ and ‘Witterugge’ from Michel Nachtergaele of Zulte. George later borrowed ‘The Coppi’ to pair to the daughters of ‘Tito’. They later also bought the pigeon called ‘De Fijnen’ from Michel Nachetregaele. The Busschaert family decided to build a textile manufacturing plant in England, in Kent. George was sent over to run it. Being from Belgium it was inevitable that he had a passion for pigeon racing and he subsequently met fanciers from England and soon had his own set up in England. Pigeons were bred from those now held in Belgium by George’s brother-in-law Albet Nuttyens, and shipped over to England. Birds were also obtained from his brother Albert Busschaert who was in charge of the carpet-weaving factory in Deerlicjk, Belgium. George struck up a friendship with Gil Duncan of Deal. They went into partnership and George’s pigeons soon set the racing scene alight with their wins. They bred pigeons such as ‘The Crack’, ‘The Coppi cock’, The Great Coppi’, The Bonten’, ‘The Blesse’. Between 1956 and 1962 they won over 150 first prizes often taking the first three in the fed. Soon people started to take notice of these fantastic sprint pigeons and they started to buy them. One of the first to purchase them was a Mrs Newton from West Durham. She bought a pair for her husband as a silver wedding anniversary present. He put them in the stock loft and they bred birds that took the West Durham amalgamation by storm. He suddenly shot up from being an average fancier to becoming a champion almost overnight. These stock pair were later known as ‘The Newton Pair’, and they went on to breed many champion pigeons. News soon spread and fanciers all over the north wanted them. Another to purchase was JJ Horn. He obtained sons and daughters of the Newton pair and later purchased the Newton pair themselves. He also purchased ‘The Broken Keel Cock’ and a grandson of the Newton pair, the Wilkinson cock. He built a family around these pigeons, which kept him at the top for years to come. Back in Kent someone else was about to try the Busschaerts, Ron Hallam of Belvedere. He took the first three in the London and South coast Combine from Bergerac with over 4000 birds entered. This is a remarkable performance on its own, but when you realise that there were only 4 birds home on the day it puts it into a new perspective. By now George had sold the factory and went back to Belgium to see what else he could pick up. He wanted pigeons that were smaller, he wanted pigeons that could not only sprint but sprint the distance. He bought ‘the Klaren’ from Georges Doetreloigne of Waregem, ‘Sooten’ from F. Declerc and the Old Sooten, and 14, and 817, from De Klinge. And boy could they race the distance. In only 3-4 years they bred pigeons to win 1st National Limoges not once, but twice, 1st Perigeux National, 2nd Cahors National, 3rd Brive National, 5th Cahors National, 27th Barcelona International, 33rd San Sebastion International. Tom Larkins had got in touch with George and was now importing George’s new lines. He wanted to see how these new birds would perform. He was not disappointed, their results exceeded his wildest dreams. In 1972 Tom entered the Wadebridge Open sending only 4 pigeons. The race was from 276 miles. He clocked all 4 together, to win, which again is remarkable in it’s own right but he was 1 hour 10 minutes ahead of the next bird! George Busschaert hysteria was by now reaching new proportions. George started to hold an annual sale in England. The racing performances of the famous Busscharerts soon started to become legendary. Ken Aldred bought two pigeons, one of them the famous stock bird The Little black. She produced pigeons that were totally unbeatable. George Corbett bought stock from George Busschaert and from Tom Larkins to produce the famous Dark Uns. The most famous bird to come from these pigeons is probably the ‘Coppi cock.’ This pigeon went on to breed hundred of first prize-winners, and they could also fly the distance. One fancier topped the federation from over 500 miles from two different race points on the same day! Another buyer was Danny Challis. He was an experienced racer who had for years flown the old long distance English strain of Fuller-Issacson. He and a friend decided to try out these new fangled Busschaerts. They purchased 16 youngbirds from Tom Larkins and split them. Danny had amongst his selection a medium to small blue chequer hen. She was a double grand daughter of Little black. When she won the Open Wessex Combine she was put straight into the stock loft and went on to become one of the best breeding hens that this country has ever seen. She bred no less than 5 other Combine winners and 15 fed winners when paired to each of the other cocks that came with her. Even more amazing was that her offspring not only won races but also went on to breed even more champions. One of her youngbirds called Moneypacker, for good reason, won 4 open first Combines, 1st Federation and 5th Combine and went on to breed Wilbur to win the Rennes central Southern classic, also Blue Steel to win 1st open Parkstone, 1st Dorset fed, Imperial black and Black fire who both went on to take 1st Solent fed. At one time Danny had in his loft 40 fed winners and 5 combine winners. Other famous Busschaerts and Busschaert flyers were the Larkin pair of Mr & Mrs Shuttleworth of Harrogate, W Parkes of Northern Ireland, John Palmers no 1 and no 2 pair. Bill Johnstons with his famous Busschaert ‘Old man’. John Hodgson of Annan. The list went on and on. Johnston Eagleson & sons went on to win over 50 1st open Combines with the Busschaerts. People who purchased the Busschaerts were ending up with not one but a whole loft full of champion birds. Alf Wright was another example he obtained birds from George Corbett and started to then breed his own champions. Clapper 36 x 1sts, Twirler 30 x 1sts, Slimmen 20 x 1sts. Other famous Busschaert fliers were Arthur Beardesmore, with his Terror Busschaerts, Little Terror 12 x 1sts , Short terror 12 x 1sts, Flying solo 12 x 1sts. Fred Elliot and his famous Euro Busschaerts. The Highview and Starview Busschaerts. The list goes on and on. The big studs had started to realise the potential of the Busschaerts and soon the pigeons started to command big money. Louella was one of the first to obtain a whole series of Busschaert champions. They started to offer their offspring to the everyday fancier at affordable prices. In 1982 George Busschaert decide to have an entire clearance sale. It turned out to be three clearance sales on the 9th, 10th and 11th October. 274 birds were entered into the sale, of these 271 were bred by George Busschaert. All birds were sold. Even today Busschaerts are still creating a stir by winning high birdage prestigious races. Those of Ron Williamson from Ireland are amongst the most recent high fliers. Tom boy 1st 20,367 birds, Ron Ville Del boy 1st 25,243 birds, Lauras boy 1st & 2nd open to 22,337 birds, 191 2nd NIPA 11,860, Ron Ville dark Destroyer 1st 24,108, Flash Gordon 1st 14,600 birds, Ron Ville Superboy 1st 26,770 birds, Millenium Superstar 3 x 1st average 23000 birds, Ron Ville Heartbreaker 1st, 3rd, 4th NIPA, Millenium Superstar 3 x 1st average 23,000 birds, Ron Ville Lee Der & Ranger 1st open winners, Ron Ville Maggie Ann 1st NIPA 7,11 birds. The questions that have to be answered when writing about George Busschaert, why did his pigeons make such an impact on the racing scene in Britain and why have they stood the test of time and seen many other strains come and go? Well you have to go back in time to what the racing scene was like in Britain all those years ago. After the war and into the fifties there was not a lot of money about, especially for pigeons. In the sixties times changed, there was a boom and as Prime minister Macmillan said ‘You’ve never had it so good’. However in spite of this newly found affluence most pigeon fanciers kept small teams of pigeons in back garden lofts. They nearly all raced natural and they raced predominantly traditional families of pigeons that were either handed down from their fathers or bought and swapped locally. Race programs were typically mixed, short races, building up in length throughout the race program to longer ones at the end of the season. Pigeons were thus bred and selected to be good ‘all rounders.’ In Belgium however, at the time things were very different. There were specialised race programs. Races were being separated into short, middle distance and long distance races. Specialised clubs were springing up. Fanciers were also concentrating their selection to pigeons to race predominantly short sprint races. There was a strong gambling culture and good prize money could be won. This drove a desire to obtain the best pigeons for the job, auctions sprang up to fuel this desire for more and faster pigeons. Champion pigeons were soon snapped up by the more wealthy to be put into their lofts. This is where George Busschaert comes onto the scene. He was effectively a rich man, he had come to England and he had a passion for fast pigeons. On his visits to Belgium to obtain pigeons, he had a very big advantage. He knew the language, he knew the Belgium pigeon-racing scene, and he knew what pigeons were the best at the time, and he bought them. He also had contacts through his brother and brother-in-law. It is rumoured that he would travel to many successful lofts simply to buy their champion pigeon. He would then bring them to England and set them up in his loft. He soon made a big impact. He started to win everything. He had introduced fast sprint pigeons using widowhood methods on pigeons that had been selected from years and years of widowhood racing. At the time the English fancier was using predominantly what effectively were just homers on the natural system, which was simply no match. The old English strains were absolutely slaughtered in all types of races. These out and out sprint pigeons were unbeatable. For example, Tom Larkins once described how he sent his team of 30 youngbirds to a race with over 2000 pigeons and 21 dropped in the loft all at once. John Palmer had 10 pigeons drop together to win the London and South coast combine 30 minutes ahead of the next bird in the federation. George Busschaert also had this talent of being able to pick pigeons that would breed together to produce outstanding pigeons. This was not just a case of being rich and simply buying top pigeons from winning lofts and putting them together, although this did help. What also helped was that Georges Busschaert had this great sense of stockmanship. He would chose pigeons of the same shape and form, and he could identify in pigeons, qualities that he knew would blend in, but also be passed down throughout the generations. In addition to all this, his pigeons were breeding champions through what geneticists call heterosis. This is hybrid vigour. This usually occurs when highly inbred strains are crossed, but the reason Georges Busschaert could produce it in his pigeons is that there was a massive pool of winning qualities that were all different, in all these interbreeding pigeons. It was these winning genes that would produce excellent racing characteristics that kept reappearing throughout the lines. So for example you would have pigeons that won because they had fantastic cardiovascular systems, some that had perfect wing formation, others with super efficient metabolisms, others with fantastically powerful musculature. It was these individual characteristics that kept emerging and reemerging sometimes one at a time, sometimes two or more qualities together, that kept making champions. The whole family was not inbred at all it was a family of maximum outcrossing but what made it work was that there were no bad genes to get in the way of producing champions. The chromosomes were packed with genes that could only produce these winning characteristics, different winning characteristics in each subsequent generation. This is why fanciers with distance Busschaerts would suddenly start to throw pigeons that won short sprint races and sprinters that would suddenly breed distance pigeons. Furthermore this was all fuelled even more when people started to cross them with their own strains, their own old winning lines. You now had these qualities that had been selected and honed by the British fancier being added to the continental Belgium winning characteristics. That is why they turned out to be so versatile. They would win from 60 miles they would win from 500 miles. They would win in a strong headwind they would win in a blow home. You could race them widowhood you could race them natural. They won as youngbirds and straight away were winning as yearlings and old birds. So fliers even today are winning classic races with them when they are up to 7 years old. The other element that made the Busschaerts so versatile at all distances was that George Busschaert did not solely select short distance sprint pigeons, his later acquisitions were equally capable of flying the distance. Fanciers were purchasing offspring from these distance lines and crossing them with the original sprint-middle distance Busschaerts. This diversity of champion blood also explains why the Busschaerts cannot be described as an inbred family of pigeons and why they came in all shapes and sizes and colours. One thing is certain, and that is this diversity of racing qualities is still being discovered today as fanciers cross and recross the Busschaerts and I think that they will remain within the pigeon fancy, especially in Britain, for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topmanlee Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 were was george from i couldav some they are 1999 birds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDYELLOW Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 George Bushaert was from Belgium had a partner in Kent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vander mungo Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 exellent,info bakes.but did he sell on birds under his name,that were bred buy someone else. some of our senior members say he did just to fill his orders. best old bird racer i have ever had was a dark cock, bred buy john marshall of ROYSTON Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsberg Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 i have palmer busschaerts and corbetts plus a few others Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stb- Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 exellent,info bakes.but did he sell on birds under his name,that were bred buy someone else. some of our senior members say he did just to fill his orders. best old bird racer i have ever had was a dark cock, bred buy john marshall of ROYSTON georges busschaert said once a pigeon was in his loft it was his and was therefore a busschaert. sold a lot of great pigeons which in turn turned loads of fanciers into legends all over the country, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vander mungo Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 fair, play STB.but a old fancier in our club said would be good to know ther origions whitch georges did not reveal ,all his young birds sold that year but managed to sell on 50.he bought then sold on as his own sadly the man who bought them has passed on and wil never know THEY WERE GOOD BIRDS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stb- Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 fair, play STB.but a old fancier in our club said would be good to know ther origions whitch georges did not reveal ,all his young birds sold that year but managed to sell on 50.he bought then sold on as his own sadly the man who bought them has passed on and wil never know THEY WERE GOOD BIRDS If you look back at the sooten the klaren pe hen most of his birds came from all different sources , dolly mixtures but with proven track records .. just like the sweeties dolly mixtures aw shapes and sizes but tasted smashin ;D ;D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 If you look back at the sooten the klaren pe hen most of his birds came from all different sources , dolly mixtures but with proven track records .. just like the sweeties dolly mixtures aw shapes and sizes but tasted smashin ;D ;D correct Rab but remember there was the 3 familys the ones he raced when he lived in kent then the the coppi sootan little blk lines and the last lines the daniel mona lisa ect he bought the best and crossed them john crowder still has a very good loft of them bred down from his originals the blk cheqs family the crayonne family and the red/mealey family still after all this time super birds the pearson and dransfield ones are very inbred but fantastic as are many of the lofts that have kept them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest mick bowler Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I knew someone years back that knew Georges Busschaert, heard a few stories but never heard he bought YBs and sold them off as his own. But as someone mentioned above, his view was no matter who bred it, when it entered his loft it was a Busschaert! Anyway, why try to discredit someone from the past, and does it really matter now. I cant remember a "strain" of birds to ever make as many legends and household names as the Busschaert birds did, so i suppose that sort of rumour should be consigned to the depths, as totally irrelevant IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I knew someone years back that knew Georges Busschaert, heard a few stories but never heard he bought YBs and sold them off as his own. But as someone mentioned above, his view was no matter who bred it, when it entered his loft it was a Busschaert! Anyway, why try to discredit someone from the past, and does it really matter now. I cant remember a "strain" of birds to ever make as many legends and household names as the Busschaert birds did, so i suppose that sort of rumour should be consigned to the depths, as totally irrelevant IMO. Mick quiet correct that storys always come around just crap should look what was achieved with his birds and yes they where a mixture of dolly mixtures but they where bought from the best he must have been some stock man many great familys owe a lot to the bushys there will never be a family of birds or fancier to impact the sport of the buschearts look at the house hold names that come to mind their wins in the mighty UNC will never be equalled they will always be remembered as the greatest of all time and are still winning out of turn at the present time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwh Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 lot of orignals were up in our area george latcham, wilkinson from toft hill, john tray(bloodlines still raced by the sons) and of course the famous newton pair dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 lot of orignals were up in our area george latcham, wilkinson from toft hill, john tray(bloodlines still raced by the sons) and of course the famous newton pair dave yes Dave would agree with that but to list the names of the fanciers who done so well with them would take some time soderland and bradley ali bros tommy laskey luke coulson and thomson ray callender mctaggert bros even the great rutter bros introduced them the names are never ending legends of the NE ENGLAND Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwh Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 yes Dave would agree with that but to list the names of the fanciers who done so well with them would take some time soderland and bradley ali bros tommy laskey luke coulson and thomson ray callender mctaggert bros even the great rutter bros introduced them the names are never ending legends of the NE ENGLAND TOO TRUE THE 1 FANCIERS PIGEONS THAT STOOD THE TEST OF TIME Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Novice Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 yes Dave would agree with that but to list the names of the fanciers who done so well with them would take some time soderland and bradley ali bros tommy laskey luke coulson and thomson ray callender mctaggert bros even the great rutter bros introduced them the names are never ending legends of the NE ENGLAND I thik this list only scratches the surface. There are many more. This family has won in all areas of the country but I agree the success rate in the North East was superb. Now I wonder where would we go to purchase the best available Busschaerts today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I thik this list only scratches the surface. There are many more. This family has won in all areas of the country but I agree the success rate in the North East was superb. Now I wonder where would we go to purchase the best available Busschaerts today. I DID STATE THAT THERE ARE MANY GREAT FANCIERS THAT THE BUSHYS MADE GREAT I HAVE NAMED A VERY SMALL SAMPLE OF THE TOP BREEDERS AND BIG WINNERS IN THE NE SOME YOU WONT KNOW BUT OUT STANDING I KNOW WHERE I WOULD BE HEADING IF I WAS LOOKING Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwh Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 I DID STATE THAT THERE ARE MANY GREAT FANCIERS THAT THE BUSHYS MADE GREAT I HAVE NAMED A VERY SMALL SAMPLE OF THE TOP BREEDERS AND BIG WINNERS IN THE NE SOME YOU WONT KNOW BUT OUT STANDING I KNOW WHERE I WOULD BE HEADING IF I WAS LOOKING ALAN DID'NT RAY FORBES FROM HORDON FLY SOME REALLY GOOD DARK UNS(THE BOX PAIR) THINK THEY WERE BUSSCHAERTS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 ALAN DID'NT RAY FORBES FROM HORDON FLY SOME REALLY GOOD DARK UNS(THE BOX PAIR) THINK THEY WERE BUSSCHAERTS yes he had some good uns from corbett and ray callender Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterbmasson Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 ALAN if my memory serves me right did geff horn not buy that BIRDS OFF THE newton pair of birds and won every thing with them and moved up into Scotland and won a SNFC national Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwh Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 yes he had some good uns from corbett and ray callender HOW LONG SINCE YOU HAD ANY ALAN WE GOT A HEN WITH A WEE BIT IN BUT MUST BE 8 YRS 4 US NOW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 ALAN if my memory serves me right did geff horn not buy that BIRDS OFF THE newton pair of birds and won every thing with them and moved up into Scotland and won a SNFC national yes he had some of them also had rutter bros birds aswell ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK W F Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 HOW LONG SINCE YOU HAD ANY ALAN WE GOT A HEN WITH A WEE BIT IN BUT MUST BE 8 YRS 4 US NOW its a while funny thing was odd ones flew but my old hermans used to spank them but if i crossed them with the hermans with them then they could go proberly the best around would be pearson and dransfield and john crowder there is other lofts like ronnie williams but they in ireland but they are still performing out of this world lots of the distance men are useing the inbred busshys as crosses into their own familys with great results ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gulkie Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 was always led to beleive that kent was a strong area for busschaerts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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