cemetary Posted August 13 Report Share Posted August 13 Guys, ano that we are all having terrible yb lossess within our clubs,whats your THEORY,on the lossess, i have listed mine below just to get a bit of what everyone thinks. Its not a thread for arguments, its what you think, and they are not in any order, for my OPIONION. 1. Dehydration,ybs not being shown how to drink at the home end.? 2.Early Liberations, waiting on a suitable temperture to rise. ? 3. ETS/Wind turbines, too many phone massess, turbines. ? 4. Respitory, fancier not picking this up at the home end. ? 5. Clashing, birds not clearing site after liberation, unsufficient time allocation between. ? 6.Untrained pigeons, Fanciers taken the chance. ? 7. Peregrines, birds being turned at liberation time. ? Would be interesting to hear what other fanciers thoughts are though. Cem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sapper756 Posted August 13 Report Share Posted August 13 Would also be interesting to hear how many youngsters fanciers bred, and how many they actually have left today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polkemmet lofts Posted August 13 Report Share Posted August 13 Most of your points are valid, but what causes horrific losses and hardly any getting reported i just do not have a clue I myself only bred 21 youngsters had around 30 training tosses prior to first race Wooler 67 miles sent 20 took 1st and 6th club but lost 7 youngsters with only 1 being reported in County Durham 2nd race was from Alnwick 86 miles dropped 5 to date none reported So in 30 training tosses 1 lost in 2 races 12 lost i guess thats me finished and only after 2 races . May i also add that the last 6 training tosses youngsters were singled up with no losses but once put into rece crates and transporter i have lost more than half my team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue lad Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 I personally have a theory. Unseen illness,? Wind farms, Constant harassment from avian raptors ,If loins and leopards were running loose all over the country .? I can guaranty you'd have a very fast pair of training shoes. And if they gave Chase you'd probably do something silly like knock your self out in the process of trying to get away .Or in blind panic find yourself somewhere not familiar to you and helplessly lost . Exactly the same predicament face pigeons every single time they are racing . Chased out to sea or dying in the process to evade them . It would probably explain why none are reported. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sapper756 Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 With regards to birds not being reported, how hard is it nowadays to get birds back home, once they have been reported? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polkemmet lofts Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 You can get them back home but would think cost of doing this may be a big factor As i said i have had only 1 reported out of 12 which is coming back to me tomorrow at a cost of £65 a lot of fanceirs just cant afford this Our president has been to stray centre and he states very few are turning up their. I think blue lad is bang on and honestly do not think we will ever stop this relentless loss of young birds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCN Posted August 14 Report Share Posted August 14 21 hours ago, polkemmet lofts said: Most of your points are valid, but what causes horrific losses and hardly any getting reported i just do not have a clue I myself only bred 21 youngsters had around 30 training tosses prior to first race Wooler 67 miles sent 20 took 1st and 6th club but lost 7 youngsters with only 1 being reported in County Durham 2nd race was from Alnwick 86 miles dropped 5 to date none reported So in 30 training tosses 1 lost in 2 races 12 lost i guess thats me finished and only after 2 races . May i also add that the last 6 training tosses youngsters were singled up with no losses but once put into rece crates and transporter i have lost more than half my team Similar to myself haven't lost a single yb training on my own or group training with another couple of trusted fanciers with approximately 2 dozen tosses. However have lost around 20 over 4 races. Read into that what you like but uneducated ybs at races is a major issue. When they don't clear the liberation site quickly your chances of raptor attack are much higher and when they do attack the damages done is far worse as the birds aren't yet racing for home. Why we still race ybs at this time of the year is another point that must be considered due to the falcon population we face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue lad Posted August 15 Report Share Posted August 15 You are very right about uneducated birds. How much road work do they actually need before the race basket? 2 dozen seams a bit much . Mine had two first one at 40 miles and second one 14 miles .I lost one racing so far and one around the loft ! Yes I agree it's madness to be racing at this point in the year . Young falcons and old ones are getting plenty of plump pigeons to eat . This is surely not the way forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCN Posted August 15 Report Share Posted August 15 1 hour ago, blue lad said: You are very right about uneducated birds. How much road work do they actually need before the race basket? 2 dozen seams a bit much . Mine had two first one at 40 miles and second one 14 miles .I lost one racing so far and one around the loft ! Yes I agree it's madness to be racing at this point in the year . Young falcons and old ones are getting plenty of plump pigeons to eat . This is surely not the way forward. Mines had probably a dozen tosses before the first race and another dozen since then.... furthest I've been is 25 miles. Cant train them enough imo aslong as your not stressing them. If they have a sticky one or they don't come like id like I'll happily give them a day or two off. As for yb racing that will never change not enough people willing to try something different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polkemmet lofts Posted August 15 Report Share Posted August 15 I think with the way losses have been going over the years i decided to give them more training this year 3miles, 6miles 12 miles and kept them at same point 19 miles for around 4 weeks a system i used many years ago and was very hard to beat at club level, but sadly it has not worked for me , but you are right why o why do we race at this time of year with the falcon population increased with old & young We still race our young birds the same months that our forefathers did however in this day and age they have to tackle more hurdles that we as fanciers put in front of them YES SOMETHING HAS TO CHANGE OR AT LEAST TRIED or the membership will continually decline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bibendium Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 Iv had more yb reported this year than ever before, all via telephone rings and not 1 reported via unions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cemetary Posted August 23 Author Report Share Posted August 23 Just under 500 rings issued to the club for 2024. This is how my club stands from the very first race of the 2024 yb season. Wooler, 61 miles to most, 143 birds sent, 37 clocked in at the clocks, after a 2 hour period. Alnwick yb 1, 75 miles to most, 129 birds sent, 55 clocked in at the clocks, after a 2 hour period. Alnwick yb 2, 75 miles to most, 105 birds sent, 44 clocked in at the clocks, after a 2 hour period. Darlington, 129 miles to most, 75 birds sent, 25 clocked in at the clocks, after a 2 hour period. Thats just an overview of whats happening down in the Fife corner, not even 50% of birds timed in from either race at clocks. Heavy losses alright, yb season over for some that only bred a small team, and the answer isnt breeding a bigger team for next year thats for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cemetary Posted August 23 Author Report Share Posted August 23 On 8/13/2024 at 7:16 PM, sapper756 said: Would also be interesting to hear how many youngsters fanciers bred, and how many they actually have left today? Brian, i bred 23 and had 9 tossess in fife areas, dropped 1, left 1 in the hut, went to the race of Alnwick 75 miles, sent 21, dropped 20, i was totally gutted at the start, they arent even working home, but to say the least, i have got up to 5 now. Kyle Douglas does a great job of helping fanciers out though to give this guy some credit, with others involved offcourse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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