hi trapper,bought four kipps,of frank last year,not bred from yet.they look fantastic,small to medium,all colours,strong backs,and fly for ever,cant get mine in half the time,they just love to fly.contact frank,and purchase some,he will tell you has them from him,its like a whos who,of champion british flyers,but they are not saying anything.look at good corns article this week in the bhw,east cleveland news,under mr mrs crooks.base is pol bostyn jan aarden,stichelbaut.they have a website also.has i said have a word with frank.hope this helps p dordin