Peter your comment about multiple winners is an interesting point and from my perspective some people put a lot of work into their birds and have success without having them on antibiotics, From my perspective with having some clinical knowledge Antibiotics have a time and a place and whilst I fully agree that it is inappropriate to indiscriminately medicate there are occasions when it's appropriate Loft location and wind play a part but as the distance goes out then the fancier and their methods also play an important part in my opinion