there's no easy answer to this i put a blue cock into the training pannier by mistake it was still squeaking it had 6 tosses then went into the race pannier [by mistake]] had a nght out but turned in nxt morning this cock won twice as a yearling topping the fed out of leicester he smashed his self up on the wires on a training toss but didnt do much at stock. would i do it again? i did crashed and burned :blush: :o if i started racing again would i do it nota chance :blink: