Hi I don't have the answers when I first started in 1960 the program was Annan, Penrith, Shap, Lancaster, Preston returns where good but during the 1980s they were getting dismel and a switch to the east route seemed the answer and it was. Have to say that 2013 racing the east route has been a disappointing year for me lost a lot of birds I blame our controller for Leicester in which I did not get 50% returns but apart from that not good returns at all There comes a point when you have to say is all this worth the effort Cheers Homer 49