Agree with all but Jock Jamieson said to me that he never looked at wing and only went by condition and breeding!!! I would not bother with training, If they have say 6-7 hours on wing three weeks before basketing then thats enuff!! Have scored before with birds that have done 5hrs then sat at home for a month and scored well!!1 Horses for courses I suppose?? Experienced course and distance birds can be handled a lot diffo and condition and motivation become your main concern???