wilkins

barley as a base for me, with protein added during breeding and heavy road training (enforced) to get them to fly at home low protein

whats wrong with barley?

shortest length or width (in feet ) times it by 3 , with plenty of vents so in this 2 X3 = 6 birds

any one got a link for house of aarden

any thoughts on the difference between the 2 tonics ,

corby tonic 1 tablespoon lugols 3 parrish's 3 cytacon add to make 1 pint , mix 3 tablespoons to 4 pints of water a little stronger than the previous one

barry mcnicholas tonic 3 tablespoon cytacon same parrish's same liquid liver 1 teaspoon lugols iodine add water to make a pint then 2 tablespoon to 5 pints of water

i think you can get the cost of corn down by adding to a general mix which may cost £10 a bag but by adding barley, wheat , pellets these should only be £5-£6 a bag so about £7 a bag of corn most supplements are not all that , and cheap ones like mollasses ,yeast etc can be used

not in my local one looked at me blank when i asked the girl .

did you try the salts tonice, glauber salts and something else ?

i will look at the book tonight and put how much of the tonice per pint you need, i dont think its much there is allso a salts tonic which is in the book again it looks like meditech sell most of this stuff, i did go to my local chemist and ask for the bits for the tonic but they never had parrish's or the other bits ,

look on the list you can buy them seperate or all together (iron tonic kit)

www.meditech.co.uk

meditech has the full kit at £16.99 for the 4 bottles , top up to 1 pint of water and store in the fridge ,i think the book says so it should go a long way

thanks lindsay, i think i will give it a try did you find condition improved when you tried it

does any one use the tonic in the l corby book and i think it is in the loft stock book as well. 4 parts to the tonic with iron , parrish's and cytacon. and liqiud liver i think,i was reading it over the weekend did it help the birds or make no real difference

25% of my mixture

can you share that owen, very interested in it myself, as i think im on the same lines as you

best of luck to your dad

i train in groups of 6 due to the worry of a attack

my ybs are on 1 part barley, half part wheat, half pellets , half best all round very light diet , so far so good flying and handling better than the last couple of years johnny gilbert of droden weans his babies or did wean onto 75% barley read in in a old loft report chris gorden feed 100% most of the year unless rearing right up to 2 weeks prior to the birds chosen water race program the barcelona lofts of john mcgee ybs are fed on low protein beyers corn

owen i have read two of your recent posts and again find this one great reading i have started a deep littler system 8 months ago i had my pigeons tested and asked the vet about the loft floor and was told unless you can clean out 3-4 times a day pigeons will be healthy if left on a dry litter system, i used hemp chips and stanslen powder but now its working its self

would love the plan on how they were made , would help me out no end

they look good, how is the balance judged

thanks tony