thats correct frank 4.47 our time ,ive got to agree with walter to some extent , if great forecast for next morn then why not phone at 4.30am for a 5 or 5.15am lib instead of phoning at 5.15 , surely all out there would agree that ALL the convoy deserve a chance of homing on the day ,and dont forget that if the north boys get another hour so do all of you to time on night . about mid day libs? , although winning the snrpc race(2008) with a mid day lib ,i still would have wished for an early morn lib and time on day any year. but if you/we cant get a lib before 7am then either hold them or lib at mid day ,to make it fair for everyone ,this would be a last resort if forecast wasnt good for the next few days ,jmho