im in 1 of them old fashioned clubs i use stall traps 6 seconds between clockin 1st and 2nd birds at a push but as has been said u got to get em home and in the trap to clock em unlock the traps only 1 way to go into the loft and as a stall trap is part of the loft they are technically in the loft when clocked. would use ets if club would adopt but not going to rock the boat as only club im in radius to fly in