Hi Wiley I'm in a partnership with my uncle he has had pigeons for about 30 year and this is the worst he has ever had, the pigeons seem to be standing okay but I can see a few getting bushed up so I'm not sure if they are next to go, it's been really from just before Christmas and lately the droppings have got worse, I fill the drinkers right up in the morning and by the end of the night they are empty if that could maybe say the pigeons are dehydrated, they haven't been out since November and they were flying well, too this point it's been 10 since Christmas and I think there could be more to come. Thank you for all the help guys Hi Billy I'm working in the morning before I'm heading to Blackpool thank you for the offer, much appreciated