i take your point dan but the fed are still providing a good service for the guys that have no transport or time if i could not train my self or with my old pal john king id need to train with the fed to so i would not be knocking my fed who are trying to help the guys that have no choice but i do agree private training is best if you can get on a van or have the money and time to go yourself also safety in numbers dan good luck to you today suns coming out and its clearing up nice now hope we all have good returns no matter who we train with