John the only reason the west IMO has always had great pools be it 3 bird club or 5 bird clubs / £5 noms even in our club sometimes £10 noms is for the simple reason nobody in our section has ever dominated the west section. Don't get me wrong lots of fantastic fanciers in the west section.. But if I was in the same club as the MACS I would think of it more a DIRECT DEBIT than pools . expletive remove 75 times 1st federation. Best doo men ever.