i only got one of my old originals the ones i tried to break here would not break nolofts at old place have some others aswell the old ck carrys the lines of my old triple fed winner won fed three weeks on the trot forth week hold over third club 18th fed 2 weeks later 1st club 8th fed all flown on natural system all the good winners in his lines going to run him with a few hens they where bloody class birds