think your wrong Stewart i have donated a fair few to good causes and they will come from the birds i paid good money for out the stock lofts and they will get good healthy sound birds and who knows racing wise if they will be the best or not time will tell but this will be the last year nothing will leave after this year except gifts money is tight all where i know i,m on good money but i,m down over £1000 a month in my hand and theres a lot worse off by far ;)