Walter my young ins where well schooled as I had been training before I took 2 weeks holiday and trained them up but I,m lucky I get to pick and choose when I go on holiday but I still think we start far too early with our old birds and this has a knock on effect there is far too many short races that do no good seems the middle distance points been changed for these short skips but like every one else the AGM is the place to change the program and yes Robbie I agree why change a good m/dist point for a skip JMO