micko and jack

you'll do me mo chara (my friend)

if its anything like me reporting the break in at jacks loft "to be honest there not really a lot we can do" i wonder what they would do to me if i caught them breaking in I KNOW WHAT I WOULD BE DOING

andy thanks a million for thinking of jack but indians (and thats a nice one) cant get away from jack i want jack to enjoy his birds not shouting at him every 2 minutes to be putting it down (i have to think of the birds also) i got a few birds yesterday for jack not the same as the one stolen but im hoping jack takes a shine to one of them again thanks for the thought

no mick your thinking of the cooker hahaha

some lovely looking birds blaz if that bird 002 had of been a fantail i would have broke your heart for it haha credit to you mo chara (my friend) mick and jack

i had a read at the thread and looked it up on google and just thought i would add this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapefruit_seed_extract Grapefruit seed extract (GSE), also known as citrus seed extract, is a liquid derived from the seeds, pulp, and white membranes of grapefruit.[1] There are conflicting scientific demonstrations of the efficacy of GSE.[1] This extract has been stated by some practitioners of alternative medicine to possess antibacterial, antiviral, and anti-fungal properties.[2] It has been recommended by some nutritionists for the treatment of candidiasis, earache, throat infections, and diarrhea.[2] An early proponent was Dr. Jacob Harich (1919–1996).[2] Some marketers of GSE affirm this extract to be a safe, natural, and an effective preservative.[3] Recent studies have identified synthetic preservatives in commercial grapefruit seed extracts.[4][5][6] When preservatives were not present in some of the extracts, laboratory tests found the natural extracts had no natural antimicrobial attributes of their own.[3] Some manufacturers of GSE have stated that their extract has compounds nearly identical to benzethonium chloride but a 2001 study supervised by chemist G. Takeoka has documented that commercial GSE preparations contain the synthetic compound benzethonium chloride that couldn't have been made from GSE.[3] [edit] Efficacy Anecdotal claims for an antimicrobial effect are based on a few abstract scientific experiments which show some antimicrobial activity for commercial grapefruit seed extracts and an ethanol grapefruit seed extract but not a natural GSE.[16][17][18] The preliminary studies for the antimicrobial effect state that the Citricidal commercial brand of GSE was used for testing.[16][17] There is considerable scientific evidence that the anti-microbial activity associated with grapefruit seed extract is attributable to the contamination or adulteration of commercial GSE preparations with synthetic antimicrobials or preservatives.[19] According to the 2001 GSE study, branded commercial GSE preparations were contaminated with synthetic benzethonium chloride that was implausible to be made from grapefruit seeds.[3] Some of the marketers claimed that their product does not contain benzethonium chloride and the error was due to the similarity in molecular weight of the quaternary ammonium compound which was formed through a proprietary manufacturing process.[3] It is inconceivable that the preservative benzethonium chloride is formed during any extraction and/or processing of grapefruit seeds and pulp.[3] Researchers conclusively demonstrated the presence of benzethonium chloride in commercial GSE using various analytical methods including HPLC, one- and two-dimensional NMR, PIXE analysis, and electrospray ionization MS.[3] Another in vitro study claimed GSE had antibacterial properties.[18] As with the branded in vitro test[16][17] this extract was contaminated.[3] The ethanolic extract tested had become contaminated with ethanol, a chemical used in the extraction process.[18] Ethanol, also known as ethyl alcohol, is effective in inhibiting bacteria.[20] Nevertheless, as a result of marketing by manufacturers in the health food arena and a few misinterpreted studies conducted in vitro that tested contaminated extracts which were not pure GSE processed without solvents or brands which are known to contain preservatives, the controversy over the effectiveness of GSE continues even when studies concluded self-made pure GSE has no natural antimicrobial properties and commercial GSE has been identified with contamination from synthetic preservatives.[1][3][14][19][21] Independent studies have shown that commercial preparations contain the compound benzalkonium chloride, which is a synthetic antimicrobial commonly used in disinfectants and cleaning products, the related compound benzethonium chloride, the antibiotic triclosan, or the preservative methylparaben.[1][14][21] Some samples were shown to contain up to 22% benzalkonium chloride by weight, despite the known allergenicity[22] and toxicity[23] of the compound at higher doses.[14] These chemicals were not present in grapefruit seed extracts prepared in the laboratory, and GSE preparations without the contaminants were found to possess no detectable antimicrobial effect.[1] Although citrus seed extract is sold in health food markets,[14] there is no good evidence for any natural antimicrobial activity.[1][15] A study that examined the antiviral properties of GSE found that GSE had no efficacy as a disinfectant for feline calicivirus and feline parvovirus.[24] Grapefruit seed extract has been advocated to be a powerful antimicrobial with proven activity against bacteria and fungi. However, independent studies have shown the efficacy of grapefruit seed extract as an antimicrobial is not demonstrated. Although citrus seed extract is claimed to be a highly effective plant-based preservative by some natural personal care manufacturers, studies asserted that the universal antimicrobial benefits associated with GSE are merely from the presence of synthetic preservatives. Natural GSE has no antimicrobial properties.[1][19] Newer studies found commercial grapefruit seed extracts contaminated with synthetic preservatives such as benzethonium chloride.[4][5][6] [edit] Properties There is good evidence that the extract of citrus grapefruit seed has low levels of antioxidant properties.[25][26] Analysis shows the constituents of the seed extract and pulp are flavonoids,[27][28] ascorbic acid (commonly known as vitamin C[29][30][31]), tocopherols, citric acid,[25] limonoids,[32][33][34] sterols, and minerals.[35] A study suggests the consumption of the bioactive compounds found in grapefruit seed and pulp may help suppress the development of colon cancer.[36] Another study showed the flavonoid naringin is an excellent plasma lipid lowering and plasma antioxidant active elevating flavonone.[37 [edit] Precautions Grapefruit can have a number of interactions with certain drugs, increasing the potency of many compounds,[38] including warfarin (coumarin).[39] Grapefruit has components that inhibit the CYP3A4 enzyme in the intestine.[38] Thus, it is this effect that increases the rate of absorption of several drugs.[40] There are concerns about the safety of ingesting synthetic preservatives found in grapefruit seed extract.[15]

ron any fantails on show

lovely looking birds a credit to you chara (friend)

well said mo chara (my friend) and i agree 100% young lads like james are future of this sport he getting a new loft all he needs is advice friendship and off course SOME MORE HOMERS so WHO can help him

CHARA FRIEND sorry I missed the thread as I would have liked to put this on it vanreets is a young lad trying to get into the pigeon racing he has loads of questions just like the rest of us and young fanciers like vanreets and jack are the future of the sport you all know what happened to jack and myself last week with the birds being stole check the threads fanciers from this site maybe some off you included offered birds phones friends and I'm grateful for that some others PM'ed offering birds money and free transport vanreets contacted me offering a fantail he has had as a pet for 2 years now vanreets is only a young lad and has a lot to learn but havent we all remember back to when you were 15 I bet like me at 15 I thought I knew it all but how many 15 year olds do you know would offer a stranger his pet bird to replace a stolen birds I personally know a few but its only a small few vanreets being one of them and I'm proud to call him a friend of jack and mine so please give the kid a break so what if he wants to be the highest poster I WANT TO WIN BIG TIME ON THE LOTTO haha

see you there

just like to offer my 100% support for the workers

CHAIRDE FRIENDS I have just been reading the thread I would like to thank you all there is no doubt in my mind you all have been checking the papers and making phone calls on jacks behalf the birds left in the loft were birds we hoped to breed from next season all I can do is to keep trying and to thank OUR FRIENDS for all your help mick and jack

no real point they would probably still be coming out and thank you for the offer of grizzels but jack likes fantails but a lovely offer thank you mo chara (my friend) printed out photos of the birds and contacted as many local fanciers i know and asked them to keep the ear to the ground and pass it on to other fanciers

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CHAIRDE FRIENDS photos of some of the birds stole from jack if anyone can help with replacements i will pay and the grizzel is TOP PRIORITY thats the number one bird i need to replace thanks mick and jack

hi chris there was a thread on here before one of the members made and well made at that hope this helps

CHAIRDE FRIENDS firstly I apologise to the mods for not attaching this to the tread "we has visitors last night" but sometimes people read and contribute to a thread but don't go back to see what others had to say secondly because the mods had to moderate some of the language but as you all seen reading the thread and sadly for personal experiences fanciers when something like this happens feeling run very high jack arrived about 3 and it was just the norm granda took by the hand out to the loft pot of corn birds out jack had a walk about granda wheres my bird its on its holidays son i dont want it to be on its holidays granda whens she come back soon jack soon granda trying to get her home within 3 minutes of arriving at nanny and grandas and jack was crying I would like to thank all of you who contributed to the thread to all of you who PM'ed with offers of exhibition fantails the exhibitions like the indians cant get away from jack the fantails are jacks and his sisters I want them to enjoy the birds not shouting every 2 minutes put that bird down the garden fantail will come to him when he's sitting or has corn but if they want they can just fly onto the roof away from him GO RAIBH MAITH AGAT THANK YOU from the heart for those offers but I have to think of the birds well-being to the people who offered to chip in to cover any cost of a replacement and shipping again thank you that is a lovely offer and to Julie UK Pigeon Couriers again a very kind offer we joined this site looking birds and hopefully friends WE FOUND BOTH the generosity of people on this site well the only way I can describe it ITS HUMBLING at times just the same as people sending jack rings and looking nothing in return so to each and everyone one of you from jack and myself GO RAIBH MAITH AGAT THANK YOU I'm still on the lookout for a grizzel fantail if you know of someone who maybe has one but doesn't want to sale it if they would consider a swap they can have the pick of jacks loft

and i thought we got hit bad last night

shoortie i understand what your saying about no really having a lot of worth but to jack a 2 year old it was a hell of a lot (and im in no way trying to get at you just saying every morning that was jacks birds)

Paul GO RAIBH MAITH AGAT (Irish) THANK YOU the cost i'm not worried about if i had of got them after seeing that child today i would have done time for them as the saying goes but thank you for your very kind offer the people that done this if they had of came to the door they would not have left empty handed i must have given away 20 pair this season just ask Davy ch pied 20 birds went about 3/4 weeks ago after Davy "given out to me about to many birds in fairness he was right" and just like fanciers on site sending jack rings every bird that left jacks loft was a GIFT the vandalism I can deal with but even Roberta (my wife) was crying today watching jack search for his bird

CHAIRDE FRIENDS last night we had some visitors NOT like one of you calling NO these were unwanted visitors the loft was broke into 7 birds stole and an apple tree every branch broke a tree the shape of an old fashioned street gas lamp that I had a light in snapped in two spiral trees broke but the trees were all took for recycling that was dealt with the hardest thing they stole jack favourite grizzel fantail hen it broke my heart to see him today searching the yard for HIS bird "granda granda where's my bird" every other bird in the loft whites reds yellows pied blues mealy no he just wanted HIS GRIZZEL from past threads were I have wrote about jack and his fantails when he was younger he would throw the corn in the yard and chase after his grizzel then he learned that if he put the pot of corn on the ground then the birds would be all around it and he just walked over and lifted his bird every morning the same thing a walk around with his bird if anyone has a grizzel hen like or near to the one in the photo for sale please let me know in Ireland would be better but im open to any offer thanks an unhappy mick and jack

very good of you mo chara my friend mick and jack

GO RAIBH MAITH AGAT MO CHARA (Irish) THANK YOU MY FRIEND paul since he went to school im out back at the birds lost

the thread where jack asked had anyone any rings new old even the same year he never come on that one haha