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haha Jim mo chara (my friend) your kites like jacks fantails it NEED A TAIL WIND lol

GO RAIBH MAITH AGAT (Irish) thank you for the kind comments if anyone has any ideas WE WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THEM mick and jack

Undiluted organic acids (acetic acid, citric acid, lactic acid etc.) have adequate disinfecting powers in and of themselves, but they are dangerous and highly corrosive, and so must not be used in undiluted form. They perform a fine service when diluted, however. The use of apple vinegar is the most highly recommended, which as a natural substance is not in the right concentration harmful to pigeons or to their environment; indeed, if it enters the pigeons’ bodies it is an important source of organic acids and trace elements. Real apple cider vinegar is a natural substance, but only if from a bio farm. It strengthens the immune system, as it is an excellent source of trace and micro elements. However, this is only true of vinegar derived from apples grown in a natural (e.g. grassy) environment free of chemical fertilizers and insecticides. An apple that is artificially cultivated does not undergo real ripening, and so does not contain the biologically complete stock of micro elements and organic acids of which it is genetically capable. Apple cider vinegar is an ideal source of organic acid. Organic acids help digestion and the breaking down of food intake, and thus prevent the development of illnesses caused by undigested food. Infected water is one of the most common ways for pathogens to pass from one pigeon to another. If an infected pigeon drinks from the drinker, pathogens flow into the water from its beak and buccal cavity, which survive and spread, eventually infecting the entire flock. It is widely known that acidity prevents the spread of coli bacteria and salmonellas. These pathogens like a gently alkaline environment in which they can really start to proliferate. Apple cider vinegar mixed in water prevents salmonella from spreading in the waterer. Its acidic effect continues to restrict pathogens, even in the pigeon’s intestines. The acidification of drinking water is an economical procedure, allowing us to spare ourselves a lot of antibiotic treatment, which is not only beneficial financially, but also environmentally and from the perspective of our own health. We can use apple cider vinegar for the disinfection of objects, or more precisely for the subsequent acidification of a sterilized set of trays. This prevents the spread of salmonellas in the outside world. I would like to draw your attention to the fact that whitewashing is not an adequate means of disinfection! Firstly, lime has little effect on certain pathogens; secondly, after a time the whitewashed surface will be weakly but continuously alkaline, and a weakly alkaline environment is particularly favourable for the survival of salmonellas and coli bacteria! These bacteria like precisely this gently alkaline environment, while in acidic conditions they decay quickly. For this reason – alongside the acidification of drinking water – systematic cleaning of the loft, or spraying the walls with slightly vinegarish water, can prove extremely effective. This is a very useful and very cheap method. What is less well-known is that apple cider vinegar can be life-saving. Many have found that in hot weather pigeons’ rate of breathing can increase, dramatically if it is very hot, and pigeons breathe rapidly with their beaks open. On such occasions the increased exchange of air causes more carbon dioxide to leave the blood than normal. This leads to acid deficiency, and so the blood becomes increasingly alkaline (breathing alkalosis). Initially this process generates bad disposition, dizziness, then nausea, and, if it becomes more extreme, death. In hot weather we pine for soft drinks with lemon and carbon dioxide in order to compensate for the acid deficiency. If at such times we give our pigeons water with apple cider vinegar, we can save their lives. In prolonged heat we can achieve even more with a little apple cider vinegar than this. For in addition to the changing pH of the blood, potentially fatal processes are taking place in the digestive system. Heat is a powerful stressor, but is bad for digestion in and of itself, as the vessels in the skin, lungs, etc. expand, while the vessels supplying the digestive system contract. Thus in hot weather consumption of food declines, meaning that good intestinal bacteria do not have adequate nutrition, and so the acid they produce also decreases. Meanwhile, as we have seen, the alkalinity of the blood grows, which is life-threatening. Simply put, the body attempts to compensate for this by taking acid away from the digestive system, further increasing its alkalinity. As the heat stress has already reduced the resistance of the digestive system, all these factors mean that conditions are ideal for the fast proliferation and spread of salmonellas lurking in the intestines. Thus in hot weather there is every chance that a paratyphoid epidemic will flare up. In most cases, all this can be prevented by a simple acidification of drinking water with apple cider vinegar. Like anything else, apple cider vinegar can be overdosed. In too great a quantity it can even damage good intestinal bacteria. The high quantity of acid absorbs calcium (lime) and removes it from the system, which results in motor and reproductive problems. So overdoses of apple vinegar should be avoided. The dose for 5% apple cider vinegar is 4-8ml per litre of drinking water, 1-3 times a week. If we administer it more regularly, e.g. in prolonged hot weather, we should choose a lower level of concentration. We use a slightly more concentrated solution to clean the cage, but if we sense a pungent smell, we should not forget to ventilate. * Note Some fanciers recommend disinfection of drinking water with bleach (sodium hypochloride), using a concentration of one tablespoon of hypo for each five litres of water. This can cause concern, however, for it is precisely the salmonellas that cause paratyphoid that are principally transmitted orally, and it is gently alkaline, watery environments that they like the best – in such circumstances they are even capable of growing. And bleach and similar compounds leave an alkaline pH level in their wake. It seems much more logical to treat drinking water with organic acids and vinegars, and practical experience bears this out. We can use many kinds of drinker for providing water. Metal drinkers can be easily and effectively disinfected, but they also have a disadvantage: certain types of liquids can dissolve metal ions from them, whose effect can be harmful. We should be aware that even weak acids like apple vinegar solution can chemically react with metals, which can cause an adverse level of metal intake through the drinking water. Particularly dangerous from this perspective are brass drinkers, for copper can have a very adverse effect on the liver. If metal trays are used, then, we recommend ones that are zinc-plated, or, ideally, enamelled. http://www.pigeonbooks.com/index.php?r=14&c=72&l=en check the Articles on the right hand side of the page mick and jack

if jack or myself can help mo chara (my friend) its there

MAITH THU MO CHARA GOOD FOR YOU MY FRIEND my grandson jack loves his fantails can't keep him away from them and now his baby sister nadine 15 months is starting to come out to the loft but she's trying to grab the pigeons heads haha but here she will learn just like her brother they are the future of the sport mick jack and nadine

a few of fantail we breed this year maybe not eveyones taste but i like them

a few of fantail we breed this year maybe not eveyones taste but i like them

CHAIRDE (Irish) FRIENDS well as you all know we live and learn and as pigeon fanciers we should be learning every day WE DO so we made a few changes to the loft if you check the members photo section you will see where we used to have the nest boxes they were at floor level 2 high great for jack to see what was going on not so good for me trying to get down to the bottom boxes so out came the nestboxes perches cut and altered next boxes cut and altered and moved down one wall the bottom boxes are 8 " of the floor now don't be giving out there is some exhibition fantails at times they can hardly see where they are walking never mine find a nestbox but here they are nice and no we are still not breeding its just the colder it gets the worse my pain gets so I wanted to get the loft finished before the weather gets to bad we also change the aviary made it higher with a perpex roof on it enjoy the photos photo 1 THE WORKER (the BOSS that is haha)

who got a new puppy a yorkie and wait for it what did jack call the pup ?? and what about that smile granda said show me your teeth lol

steve i replied to your last thread PM your address i collect rings for my grandson jack and jack will send you some spare IHU rings mick and jack

thank you

CHAIRDE FRIENDS I'm looking for the email address for the editors letters page British Homing World magazine thanks mick and jack

sorry for putting this up again

talk like that mo chara (my friend) you will have all sorts PM'ing you is it A pigeon rocket fuel B human rocket fuel if the latter theres a lot on here who dont need it haha

aaaaaa now thats not true or maybe it is maybe its just me he's not talking to

jes i can remember last year looking fantails and you were trying to move those ferrets then hahahaha you even offered to get the ferry to belfast desperation or what i hear mick gangster is in the market for 6 ferrets do you deliver

sorry for putting this up again

blue lad send your address i have some IHU for you

PM sent and Leroy thanks for keeping jack in mind mick

hi Phil Céad mile fáilte romhat (Irish) 100,000 Welcomes

sorry for putting this up again but its important to us that the people who sent rings to jack know that we got them and are thankful for them GO RAIBH MAITH AGAT (Irish) THANK YOU mick and jack

haha zimmy your dicing with death there mo chara (my friend) chickadee has that firey IRISH BLOOD in her just be careful at blackpool and hope you see chickadee before she sees you ahaha

and there was me when i seen a Lady fancier replied i was thinking the answers going to be PINK lol and i would bet there NO muck in your loft

CHAIRDE FRIENDS with the help of jack lol we are changing the inside of the loft we have moved the nest-boxes because at floor level it was just to painful for me so should the inside of nest-boxes be painted if so what colour are yours and how does it aide the pigeons if at all thanks mick

Neil GO RAIBH MAITH AGAT MO CHARA (Irish) THANK YOU MY FRIEND the rings arrived this morning jack was delighted with them thank you also for the letter as they all go into a big envelope for jack when hes older just to let him see the friends he has who helped him thank you mick and jack